| Author |
 Topic  |
|
alkida jones
50 Posts |
 Posted - May 13 2003 : 10:34:42 AM
how much horse power can you get out of the ferio chass and be safe?? I am thinking of buying a F355 kitbut i don't want it to be a sloutch i have been looking into several different engines and trying to decide what to put in but and i ask again how much horse power??? I would like at least 400hp??? |
ducattiman
Netherlands
87 Posts |
Posted - May 13 2003 : 1:16:08 PM
EH THERE in a fiero it is not how much hp u can hav...the body is strong,,,what the problem is!! what transmission will handle that much hp...4t60e will handle about 350tq ,,,now if u go higher the better chance the transmisson will handle it,,,(4T65E OR 4T85E)
|
alkida jones
50 Posts |
Posted - May 13 2003 : 3:02:53 PM
ok so the 4t65e or the 4t85e are fiero transmission or are they the Audi trannies??? i was thinking of a couple of engines: bmw m-3 98to99, the nissan 20dett or the lexus gs300 or 400 motor and last but not least the bmw 540 what do you guys think could i get any of these engines to fit in there and would the tranny that you are talking of fit or do i need to go with a built cradle??
|
ducattiman
Netherlands
87 Posts |
Posted - May 13 2003 : 4:16:26 PM
eh alkida....no those trans r not stock fiero,,they r from other GM front wheel drive cars with 3800sc or v8 front wheel drive....pls i beg u stick with what works,,if u hav tons of money to do some different set-up,, stick with GM parts(less problems)there r tons of adaptors to do some strange things,,,and yes there r some kits so those trans drop in and go..
|
alkida jones
50 Posts |
Posted - May 13 2003 : 4:42:09 PM
ok thanks Ducattiman man and i guess you are right so i will go with the caddy northstar i can get on of those really cheap but thats only going to give like 300hp well i guess that will have to do...ok see ya..
|
dave114
195 Posts |
Posted - May 13 2003 : 7:32:22 PM
Have you thought about modifying the existing engine?? The V6 is a pretty good engine, and for the money your going to spend on a transplant, you can get just as much power without all the headaches. Using a GT28 turbo (from SR20DET), Motec computer, a GTR intercooler and a custom manifold, you can have a damn quick car, without spending the earth. Remember there is always other roads to follow with engines.Hope this helps Your mate in OZ Dave
|
alkida jones
50 Posts |
Posted - May 13 2003 : 10:31:50 PM
hey that set-up sounds pretty slick dave114 but what do you mean a custom manifold where would i get that by the way i also want to sound like the f355 is that possible???
|
dave114
195 Posts |
Posted - May 13 2003 : 11:59:44 PM
A custom manifold is normally required for engines that are not turboed. You can get one from most racing shops.You probably have a better chance of getting the "*******" sound by using the V6 instead of a push rod V8. Just my opinion. Hope this helps Your mate in OZ Dave
|
Robin Gamblin
Canada
40 Posts |
Posted - May 14 2003 : 04:08:15 AM
The GM 4.3L V6 multi-port engine fits in the fiero's and has great possibilities for HP. They are a very popular engine so parts are relatively cheap and there are alot of Hi performance parts on the market for these engines. I think it's your best bet. Thanks, Robin.
|
alkida jones
50 Posts |
Posted - May 14 2003 : 11:01:32 AM
hi Robin do yu have a sight where i could maybe look at some of the proformance stuff for that engine??I also wanted to know would the trannt also fit from that engine?? and what kind of horsepower are we talking??because i really want 300hp i want this car to really move not to be eattin up by a honda with an exhuast and a chip... another reason i was going with Dave's idea of adding the turbo???
|
alkida jones
50 Posts |
Posted - May 14 2003 : 11:05:28 AM
also Robin what car would carries the 4.6 motor??
|
kitkar
126 Posts |
Posted - May 14 2003 : 12:20:37 PM
I believe the 4.3L V6 is basically a 350 V8 with two fewer cylinders. So performance parts such as pistons and connecting rods for the 350 work in these engines. Since it's so much like a 350, a V8 Fiero kit can be used to install it.
I think these engines were in the late 80's to current production trucks and SUVs.Rick Lord
http://www.kingdomcustoms.com |
alkida jones
50 Posts |
Posted - May 14 2003 : 9:09:36 PM
ok kitcar thanks last question is there a web sight that i can goto to find the v-8 kit for the fiero? also basically i should be looking for a 4.3 could you give me a car to start with that way i would know what to look for??? thanks guys you were and are aa big help
|
swoodard23
204 Posts |
Posted - May 15 2003 : 05:57:13 AM
The 4.3L engine is easily found in Chevy s-10's and blazers. The website of all websites for any kind of engine swap for fiero is http://www.angelfire.com/fl5/fiero/fierolinks_009.html
Have a blast,
Scott
|
alkida jones
50 Posts |
Posted - May 15 2003 : 11:05:52 AM
hi swoodard went to that sight thats what i am looking for my f355 should move pretty well.Hey what do you guys think about me having the doors swing up like the lambo doors??? i fig it could be done with ease??? what do you guys think...i'm thinking way different.
|
Robin Gamblin
Canada
40 Posts |
Posted - May 18 2003 : 8:32:16 PM
Sorry I didn't reply sooner but I was working, looks like you got some good answers. The 4.3L V6 you want is the newest one you can find(99-03) out of a wrecked GM truck, suv, or van(they were heavier and usually had the higher HP vertion of the engine) with the Multi-port direct fuel injection with Dual Over Head Cams(DOHC) and 24valves. That engine was the highest reving and had the most HP and torque of all the 4.3L versions. These were so strong and powerful that they even cam in some of the 1/2ton trucks and would out pull some of the small block chevy V8's. I think they even had a couple production cars that had a factory turbo version of this engine. The 4.3L V6 DOHC 24V Multi-port direct injection engines were very close to 200hp from the factory depending on which vehical they cam out of. You should be able to get your 300hp by just a custom header and exhaust, turbo kit and cold air intake, custom cams, and a High voltage ignition system. The custom header, exhaust, and intake you'll need to do the turbo install anyway. Thanks, Robin.
|
dave114
195 Posts |
Posted - May 19 2003 : 8:37:21 PM
Just another thought, how about something like a RB26DETT (Skyline GTR), 2JZ GTE (Supra)or something similar. The good thing about these engines is the gearboxes(if they will fit, I'm not sure). They are bullet proof and can take up to about 750-800hp. Just something to think about.Hope this helps Your mate in OZ Dave
|
alkida jones
50 Posts |
Posted - May 20 2003 : 01:31:24 AM
Hi Dave i did think about the Rb26dett but what tranny am i going to use with that and how do i get it into the the car wouldn't i need to get a custom cradle??
Also thankyou Robin i was thinking of maybe keeping the stock motor and rebuilding it but adding twinturbo to it i figure i would get quicker spool up and less lag instead of one big turbo??? but like i said i was thinking but wht do you think would it be worth it to go that route???
|
ducattiman
Netherlands
87 Posts |
Posted - May 20 2003 : 3:13:16 PM
guys guys guys...pls think about the question!!!i am not flaming any one but think about it..why pee around jap engines when u can build a 1000hp quad 4 and be the fast guy around,,or better yet 2000hp twin turbo sbc...bottom line the engine means nothing if u cant put that power to the road...gm just did not make a front wheel drive transmisson to hold that much power..if u put a zf trans or porsche u hav to extend the back end,,,but the best bang for the buck is to stay with what works,,,,if money is no object pls be my guess and drop what ever u want..
|
alkida jones
50 Posts |
Posted - May 20 2003 : 10:30:45 PM
hey Ducattiman i think that you make alot of sense in what you are saying but i don't want 1000hp but like i started this convo i wanted to just have about enough to atleast if i wanted to (IF) do a little speed over the limit running aginst another car no need in having the look and no speed kinda makes sense dosen't it?? i figure the ******* has about 400 so i just want to be close thats all...i am looking into the stock motor and adding alittle spice to it to give me what i need......
|
ducattiman
Netherlands
87 Posts |
Posted - May 21 2003 : 4:50:23 PM
eh...first off again,,hp is not just the factor in speed..there r other ways to make ur car faster..reduce weight(less weight for the car to pull) gearing helps alot too.aerodinamics is a big part...if ur smart and hav the know-how...u can make some cheap and fast as hell...if i was u start looking for a series 2 (from 95 and up 3800sc) from the factory 250hp v6 and spend the money on the right things and then u can make 350hp plus...
|
alkida jones
50 Posts |
Posted - May 24 2003 : 10:47:49 PM
Ok guys now that i have figured out what engine to go with (3.8sc)how can i get the F355 exuast note well it dosen't have to be the exact sound but i would like something close to it... would buying to real exuast system give me that sound??
|
ducattiman
Netherlands
87 Posts |
Posted - May 25 2003 : 4:01:01 PM
buy what real ex system..*******???..first thing i would do is upgrade the 3800cc exhaust,,,headers and pipe,,get a high flow cat..now here is where the fun starts...muffers come in all shape and sizes,,flowmaster has a series 80 muffer that sounds low and i mean low..makes it sound like u hav a big engine then u hav..different lengths and size make different tones,,no one can really help u out,,it is up to u for what u like
|
alkida jones
50 Posts |
Posted - May 25 2003 : 7:29:48 PM
thank you ducattiman i will look into this exhust sustem that you are speaking of
|
MADMIKE
140 Posts |
Posted - May 26 2003 : 8:43:59 PM
No pushrod large bore-short stroke engine can give you the sound of a *******,a 3800 supercharged moter sounds like a 350 chevy corvette,camero moter etc,you can't get the sound of a multi cylender small bore short stroke moter out of it no matter what you use for exhaust etc,were talking about 3000 rpm difference in these moters ,that's what makes that lovely sound,lots of cylender,small bore,short stroke,and lots of rpm,builr yur replica with whatever will give you the performance you want,but forget the sound,it's not going to happen!!!
MIKE
|
alkida jones
50 Posts |
Posted - May 27 2003 : 09:19:51 AM
thank you Madmike and you are right but as i said i just wanted to come close because it is such a sweet sound but like they say "if you wanted the speed and sound you would have brought the real thing" hahahahaha but can't hurt to ask right??
|
dave114
195 Posts |
Posted - May 29 2003 : 7:33:25 PM
If you use a Japanese engine say like a 2JZ GTE, a RB26DETT, or even a SR20DET, you will get close to the sound you want, well closer than the 3800. I have seen these conversions done, and apparrently they are not that hard. Just a suggestion!!Hope this helps Your mate in OZ Dave
|
ducattiman
Netherlands
87 Posts |
Posted - May 29 2003 : 8:55:25 PM
eh there again..here is what u should do..stay with what works,,first go to newpaper or net and find a chevy 3.4dhc of tdc..3.4 l 60*v6 24 valve..do some tuning to the exhaust..and some mods maybe u can get around 300hp n/a,,this will just bolt in ,,no really and big problems just u hav to resiring the harness,,,u cant beat that
|
88Alltrac
USA
38 Posts |
Posted - June 02 2003 : 05:46:03 AM
quote:
If you use a Japanese engine say like a 2JZ GTE, a RB26DETT, or even a SR20DET, you will get close to the sound you want, well closer than the 3800. I have seen these conversions done, and apparrently they are not that hard. Just a suggestion!!
I want to make an f-50 using the 2JZ-GTE but I need info on the drivetrain, please advise. Thanks,
Steve
|
alkida jones
50 Posts |
Posted - June 03 2003 : 08:42:57 AM
Hi 88alltrac well you are in luck this sight has everything that you want very cheap www.japanesemotorsport.com.au/
|
88Alltrac
USA
38 Posts |
Posted - June 04 2003 : 02:27:17 AM
I am just curious about what you guys all did with drivetrains; did you use a regular rwd tranny and rear diff then make an adapter for the shifter or did you use a fwd transaxel and adapt it?
|
HorsePower
