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Makargo

USA
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Posted - April 12 2003 :  12:57:23 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello,
I am a profesional mechanic. For the last eleven years I have worked at Ford dealerships making someone else a whole lot of money. I would like to open my own shop, but to tell you the truth, I am sick to death of just "fixing cars". So I'm thinking why not build kit cars for other people? I know nothing about building kit cars yet. This is the start of my research-reading these posts. Several of you know what you are doing and do it well. I seek your advice. At the shop I am at, I am the electrical/drivability guy. I of course specialize in Ford. I speak blue oval. I think I could build a nice cobra replicar or GT40. I have a partner in crime who can weld or make fit anything with anything. He's done quite a bit of vehicle mod stuff-mainly off road 4x4. We also have a body guy/painter. So I guess my question is-can a group of guys make a living building these things for others? Do people normally like to have a hand in making their own? Should I try to convince the dealership owner to get a kit and sell it from the dealership? Would kit buyers buy from a Ford dealer? Why am I asking so many questions? Any insight would be appreciated. My first thoughts would be a Lone Star 427 kit with a fuel injected 5.oL/t5 MAF OBDII. We are in an Emissions mandated state.
Thanks in advance for your thoughts
Makargo
Smurf


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Posted - April 12 2003 :  5:57:26 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
While this is my first post, i have been reading off this site for over a year.
I must say, you are off to a very bad start when you talk about getting together and say things like " My partner in crime " i think maybe you should stay being a grunt.

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dave114


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Posted - April 13 2003 :  5:51:49 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Smurf, maybe you should just continue reading off site, unless there is room in your mouth for your other foot. The saying "partner in crime" just means your partner in what ever your doing, and is willing to take part. This bloke is asking a serious question and all you could come up with for your first post is complete waste of space. Unless you are going to be constuctive please leave and never come back!!

As for you Markargo, go ahead and start your business, there is obviously a market for it, and with your expertise people can be assured quality. As for the dealership selling kits, I wouldn't hold your breathe.

Hope this helps

Your mate in OZ

Dave

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meat

USA
992 Posts
Posted - April 13 2003 :  7:46:15 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
I am a profesional mechanic. For the last eleven years I have worked at Ford dealerships making someone else a whole lot of money. I would like to open my own shop, but to tell you the truth, I am sick to death of just "fixing cars". So I'm thinking why not build kit cars for other people? I know nothing about building kit cars yet. This is the start of my research-reading these posts. Several of you know what you are doing and do it well. I seek your advice. At the shop I am at, I am the electrical/drivability guy. I of course specialize in Ford. I speak blue oval. I think I could build a nice cobra replicar or GT40. I have a partner in crime who can weld or make fit anything with anything. He's done quite a bit of vehicle mod stuff-mainly off road 4x4. We also have a body guy/painter. So I guess my question is-can a group of guys make a living building these things for others? Do people normally like to have a hand in making their own? Should I try to convince the dealership owner to get a kit and sell it from the dealership? Would kit buyers buy from a Ford dealer? Why am I asking so many questions? Any insight would be appreciated. My first thoughts would be a Lone Star 427 kit with a fuel injected 5.oL/t5 MAF OBDII. We are in an Emissions mandated state.
Thanks in advance for your thoughts
Makargo

Well, the first thing you need to do is find out about what kind of emissions are required for kit cars or replicas in Oregon.

A good way to find out more about the requirements is to check out some of the clubs in your area or your state. I would recommend that you check out my site (www.CobraTrader.com) and go to the clubs page (http://www.cobratrader.com/clubs.html) and talk to the guys near you. I'm sure there are some fellas up there building Cobra kits. Volunteer to help them. Roll up your sleeves and get your hands dirty for free. An afternoon spent building a kit will let you know pretty quick if it's the right career choice for you!

Also, while you're cruising around the site, make sure to go to the registration page and see what else you need from your Motor Vehicles department (http://www.cobratrader.com/registration.html).

Next, I would recommend looking into what is involved with building a kit. There are kits and rebodies. Rebodies are easier, and generally less labor intensive (and they also pull in less cash). Kits with chassis and stuff like that there can be quite profitable if you know what to look for. Modern car replicas can be kind of dicey, as more and more companies are getting lawsuit happy.

Tried and true - proven - replicas would be a better choice in my opinion for the guy who wants to get into building replicas. For example, Cobras are always popular. You can get into the car for a fairly low cost, and you should be able to make a living off building the cars - if you're good enough. You should have a good working knowledge of Ford products and suspension setups before you jump in, though.

The Lone Star product isn't a bad choice. However, they're also generally considered an entry level kit. That's not necessarily a bad thing. FFR is also an entry level kit (it's also painfully easy to assemble). If you wanted to start with a Lone Star, you'll probably be able to collect about $8K more than you paid for the kit when you sell...that's going to hold true for most of the low to midrange kits, depending on how you assemble the car. You would definitely want the most popular combo; a SMF, T5 with a solid axle rear. You'd either want to go blue/ white stripes (duh, that's a no-brainer), or red/white stripes.

Another choice that you might want to check out - for around the same price - would be a '32 Ford Highboy kit. Unfortunately, the popular drive combos for the '32 FORD Highboy, is the Chevy LT1 with an automatic tranny, IRS (out of a Corvette), and sometimes even air conditioning. For some reason, the Ford Highboy is worth less money with a Ford engine...go figure. The reason I bring up the Highboy is because they're a staple of the street rod industry, and it's hard to hit a show and not see at least a few Highboys. These cars car insanely expensive, considering they're replicas. The kits for these cars can be just stupidly overpriced. Watch what you're doing, though, and you can put a 32 together for about the price of a midrange Cobra, and you'll probably come close to doubling your investment...You'll pull down a heck of a lot more cash than a simple $8K hit.

So, to summarize: check out local clubs. Find out exactly what it takes to register the car in your state with the minimal amount of smog equipment (I'm sure there's a loophole for kits or replicas...make sure you check out both; in Florida, there's a separate section for replicas and another completely different section for kit cars). Check out a few shows to see what is out there. Check out more than just one company. If I were you, I'd look into Antique and Collectables, Unique, Shell Valley/Midstates, as well as Lone Star. A really great question to ask the companies you call is "how much would you charge me to build a car?" That will at least give you a general idea of how much your car could be worth once it's finished.

There's a ton of questions you need to ask. There's a ton of literature you need to pick up. You need to also get ahold of some assembly manuals and see how involved building a Cobra can be.

I'm always around if you need any more guidance.

Your pal,
Meat.


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Makargo

USA
38 Posts
Posted - April 14 2003 :  10:05:58 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
dave114, thank you for comming to my defence and your confidence. It's appreciated. Meat, thank you for the info. At least now I have a first step. Well... I have a lot of work to do so...

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