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Lashire


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Posted - February 14 2003 :  6:13:57 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I recently took my car to a Test Only station and failed my NO (PPM). As I stood waiting in line I watch the mechanic working on the car before me and place the gauge in the tail pipe. However, when this mechanic tested my car he placed the gauge underneath my car in a place I could not see. But it looked like it was behind the muffler/tailpipe. Has anyone ever heard of this happening? Is this standard practice? Am I just being paraniod? I just want to make sure I am not being screwed because they told me to go to a smog repair place, that had sent me to them. I appreciate any input anyone has.

meat

USA
992 Posts
Posted - February 14 2003 :  7:41:20 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What state are you in?

Your pal,
Meat.

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commander

USA
39 Posts
Posted - March 08 2003 :  11:14:00 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It really doesn't matter what state it is, it's what emmissions come out the tail pipe that is regulated. If that "mechanic" took a reading before the catalytic converter, you or anyone else will fail. Period...There is no reason that a emission reading should be taken from anyplace other than the end of your tailpipe. Go back to that yo-yo and tell him to do the job right or get your $ back.
Good luck...

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meat

USA
992 Posts
Posted - March 09 2003 :  09:20:08 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
It really doesn't matter what state it is, it's what emmissions come out the tail pipe that is regulated. If that "mechanic" took a reading before the catalytic converter, you or anyone else will fail. Period...There is no reason that a emission reading should be taken from anyplace other than the end of your tailpipe. Go back to that yo-yo and tell him to do the job right or get your $ back.
Good luck...

Yes it does matter what state it is. It would be stupid to not know what the state is. The laws vary from state to state. For instance, I helped get a law passed in California that doesn't require you to get a smog certificate. Therefore, yeah it's important to know the state. If you're registering a kit car, and your kit car is being smogged in California, then you're doing something seriously wrong. So your flippant 'it doesn't matter' comment is moot until we find out what state Lashire is in. If he's smogging a kit car in a state that doesn't require smogging of kit cars, then I think that it's prudent advice to help him get his car properly registered.

If the person doing the testing took a reading from before the catalytic converter, then it's high time you had your exhaust system checked; because it's obviously not connected to the rest of the car!

"it doesn't matter" ha! Don't take advice from yo-yos that don't want all the information before they offer up their opinion.

Your pal,
Meat.

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commander

USA
39 Posts
Posted - March 10 2003 :  5:15:42 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi...
Who's being flippant now? I have lived and paid taxes in California for 25 years and have never heard that you do not need to smog a kit car. The only exemption is cars older than year 1973 and certian other special circimstances which involve finances. I was required to smog my kit until I proved and had it verified by the CHP that it was older than 1973. Basically the only variable is the amount of emissions coming out the tail pipe. Many states have different rates of allowable emissions and from that standpoint I agree with you. But how it measured should be consistant in all states unless the vehicle is fitted with some sort of custom, special exhaust system then it MIGHT be different.
Apparently we are chewing on technical details and not looking at the broad picture. The only way I know of to measure auto emissions is to analyze the exhaust gases out the tail pipe. True, the allowable may vary from state to state but the method of measureing should not.
Perhaps you know something or some different way of checking emissions that the rest of the industry does not.
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meat

USA
992 Posts
Posted - March 11 2003 :  08:38:45 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:

Hi...
Who's being flippant now? I have lived and paid taxes in California for 25 years and have never heard that you do not need to smog a kit car. The only exemption is cars older than year 1973 and certian other special circimstances which involve finances. I was required to smog my kit until I proved and had it verified by the CHP that it was older than 1973. Basically the only variable is the amount of emissions coming out the tail pipe. Many states have different rates of allowable emissions and from that standpoint I agree with you. But how it measured should be consistant in all states unless the vehicle is fitted with some sort of custom, special exhaust system then it MIGHT be different.
Apparently we are chewing on technical details and not looking at the broad picture. The only way I know of to measure auto emissions is to analyze the exhaust gases out the tail pipe. True, the allowable may vary from state to state but the method of measureing should not.
Perhaps you know something or some different way of checking emissions that the rest of the industry does not.
Please share that valueable data with us.

Well, since you're obviously not part of the 'industry,' why should I share what the 'industry' knows with you.

One of my very favorite exchanges with someone who 'knows everyting' was: "I've been doing it that way for 25 years."
"Well, then you've been doing it wrong for 25 years."

Knowledge is power. I spent two years calling senators, assemblymen, aides, transportation authorities, CARB, and tons of other people to get this put into the California Legal System. Perhaps, had you bothered to check, you'd have known this:

California Health and Safety Code, Section 44017.4. (a) Upon initial registration with the Department of Motor Vehicles, a passenger vehicle or pickup truck that is a specially constructed vehicle, as defined in Section 580 of the Vehicle Code, shall be inspected by stations authorized to perform referee functions. This inspection shall be for the purposes of determining the engine model-year used in the vehicle or the vehicle model-year, and the emission control system application. The owner shall have the option to choose whether the inspection is based on the engine model-year used in the vehicle or the vehicle model-year.
(1) In determining the engine model-year, the referee shall compare the engine to engines of the era that the engine most closely resembles. The referee shall assign the 1960 model-year to the engine in any specially constructed vehicle that does not sufficiently resemble a previously manufactured engine. The referee shall require only those emission control systems that are applicable to the established engine model-year and that the engine reasonably accommodates in its present form.
(2) In determining the vehicle model-year, the referee shall compare the vehicle to vehicles of the era that the vehicle most closely resembles. The referee shall assign the 1960 model-year to any specially constructed vehicle that does not sufficiently resemble a previously manufactured vehicle. The referee shall require only those emission control systems that are applicable to the established model-year and that the vehicle reasonably accommodates in its present form.

I highlighted the important points. Not only that, I've also posted links to my site - www.CobraTrader.com - where it specifically talks about California registration on a number of different threads. Which, if you have read the forum, you would have already seen. The direct link to California Registration is:

http://www.cobratrader.com/registrationCA.html

And no, I'm not going to gloss over your incorrect assumption about California smog requirements. People who do not know shouldn't be offering up advice or telling others that 'it doesn't matter' about something that could completely change the answer, if it was known.

You were absolutely wrong to offer up advice without knowing all of the facts. And, further, you were completely incorrect when you said it "didn't matter." And, in closing, I hope that you now know the proper way to register and smog your kit car car in California. Maybe the next 25 years will be different.

Your pal,
Meat.


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commander

USA
39 Posts
Posted - March 11 2003 :  2:38:54 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi...
Thank you for your input regarding this subject. It has been most educational.
I do not pretend to know nearly as much as you apparently do therefore I will not comment any further.
In closing my part of this discussion, I will say that I am employed by a Company that provides catalytic converters to the automotive industry worldwide. I am familar with most codes and specs but not as completely as you have indicated you are.
This discussion is definately not helping the original individual at all, so, I will drop out and suggest that you continue on.
If you ran for public office in California, I might even vote for you.

Thank you...

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