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MaTT869911

USA
243 Posts
Posted - February 07 2003 :  10:45:09 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
hey guys!
well i have decided i want to start a turnkey company where i live and just build lambos and *******s by order...

i think i will start out building my own lambo for practice and to show my potential buyers i can... then advertise in the paper and on some websites...

also maybe start my own website where people can check the progress of their car...

i am pretty sure there is a demand for cars liek this esp. where i live... we have 2 or 3 forign car places including Michael Jordans ******* dealership :-)

so any tips? who would finance these cars? insurance? anything
it would all be extreamly helpful

thanks
Matt

"can we build it? yes we can!"

"when in trouble, when in doubt... run in circles scream and shout"

meat

USA
992 Posts
Posted - February 08 2003 :  07:52:55 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It's hard to get a bank to finance a replica because these cars aren't like a Honda or a Ford; there generally isn't an agreed on value for these cars out there...the Kelly Blue Book for replicas doesn't exist.

How many people finance their dream car is to take out a mortgage. And with rates as low as they are, that's not always a bad thing.

Insuring the cars isn't all that difficult, there are a few companies out there that will insure the completed car, and if you're one of those fine upstanding citizens with no tickets, blemishes or cheese on your driving record you can usually get your existing insurance company to cover the car.

On the other hand, building cars for other people is a crap shoot. You don't know how that person is going to drive the car. You don't know for sure if all of the parts are going to be completely free from defects. If a part fails on a car that you built, you're going to get sued into oblivion. If the driver screws up while driving and crashes, you're going to get sued into obilvion. If the buyer doesn't like something, you're going to get sued into oblivion. You're going to need some really, really, really good insurance to make sure that you're not paying for something for the rest of your life.

In my opinion, building a kit car for use by others as a business is not at all a safe proposition. If you build cars for yourself then later sell them, that's completely different thing.

There's a reason that kit car companies generally manufacture only kits, and not build them. Many manufacturers have 'authorized builders' who they can refer you to, but those 'builders' aren't connected to the company. Lone Star is one of the only companies I know that builds their kits in house. They also allow customers to build their cars at their facility. I have no idea why Lone Star would want to expose themselves that way. I wouldn't do it. Even if I believe beyond the shadow of a doubt that my kit is the BEST one on the market, I will not take responsibility for someone building a car and not torquing down a suspension bolt right, or using a cheaper halfshaft than I recommend, or not mounting something that could fail if not installed properly. I will not take responsibility for how someone drives their car. I will not take responsibility for tire choice. There are just too many variables that are involved with building a car - too many things that (individually) don't mean much, but when strung together - can go wrong.

With few notable exceptions, kit cars are generally replicas of high-performance cars. High performance cars can kill you. Replicas that aren't built right, designed right, assembled right, or driven right can kill you. People will believe that their replica is as good as the original (sometimes the replicas are better than the original!), and will drive them like that. Those people can die if they make a mistake taking a curve, or miss a critical shift, or missing a brake pedal.

I'm not trying to talk you out of building replicas, but I'm making sure you're aware that there are many things that are out of your control that could go wrong. And, as the builder, you'll get blamed. The one thing you need to make sure of is that you use the best quality materials, you don't cut corners, and you get some seriously kick-ass insurance. And incorporate.

Good luck, and I'd love to see some of your work!

Your pal,
Meat.

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MaTT869911

USA
243 Posts
Posted - February 08 2003 :  1:41:20 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
well i was going to use IFG for the lambo kits... not sure if i would use the partner thing they have going on...

and for the ******* id use "usedfieroparts" (any good?)

at first i was going to build a IFG 6.0 with all the bells and such to show i could build it... i think i will do this over the summer, then when i get a few orders build and then a larger garage on my property (all i have now is a 2 car and one side is being taken up by a giant paper weight.. uh.. i mean a MGB) maybe build a 5 car with an office later
and i know the people who would buy it around here would want looks more than performance....

any more hints on what you would want from a builder?

thanks
Matt

"can we build it? yes we can!"

"when in trouble, when in doubt... run in circles scream and shout"Go to Top of Page

meat

USA
992 Posts
Posted - February 08 2003 :  5:23:08 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ray is an interesting guy over at IFG. I've known him for quite a long time (since before the move, back when he also offered the Testarossa convertible). I've always liked the Diablo they offer, although I've only either seen the kits or the finished cars, I've never seen one of the Diablos being built by anyone.

They do have a good replica. The only real good advice I'd offer on their replica is to not scrimp on the interior, and use hydraulics on the front; that lower piece will scrape on everything!

Your pal,
Meat.

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kw2it

USA
58 Posts
Posted - February 11 2003 :  12:39:04 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If you are thinking of working with IFG as a builder there are a few things you need to know. First; they do have an exclusive agreement that you have to sign that says you will only build their kit, not anyone elses. Second; you have to build the first car on your own nickel at the regular price, then have them come out and inspect it before they would certify you as an authorized dealer/builder. Third; they have limits on the number of builders in an area. The areas are fairly wide open now but check their list on their website.

http://www.ifgonline.com/Dealerlist.htm

They strongly recommend that you have an "ACE" welder working for you. Even a good welder has problems building these cars.

They will tell you that they have a 2 year back log on orders, however they will only refer those orders to you that fit inside your geographical area. This may be something you want to negotiate with them.

I agree with Meat. Be very careful about building cars to order. There is a lot of liability there and it only takes one wrongful death suit to put you out of business and ruin you & your family financially for the rest of your life. Unfortunately we live in a very ligitious society and people will sue you for anything, if you are married I would suggest taking your wife and going to talk to an attorney that specializes in automobile injury cases. He could tell you a lot.

One group I know of builds the cars and then sells them to a used car dealer. The used car dealer takes orders by simply telling customers that they will look for a car, then places an order and sells it as a used vehicle, painted, interior colors or modified per the customer's request.

You can order a packet from IFG that has their rules for becoming a dealer and the certification process, it seems to take about a month to get it, it has 3 color pages and a few photo copied pages. It does have prices and options and a lot of info.

Good luck.


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Filip

USA
84 Posts
Posted - February 16 2003 :  11:59:12 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Some kit plane builders write a clause in the selling contract that basically says that the kit is incomplete and that the buyer will take apart and re-assemble everything on delivery.

I know some slellers acutally unbolt a few things as well.

But the best thing would be to talk to a lawyer (like everyone suggested) b/c you don't want to get nailed b/c of some loop hole or fine print.

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Trill

USA
41 Posts
Posted - February 17 2003 :  7:10:48 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

MATT,

i dropped you an email yesterday. i'm also interesting in starting a business. if you didn't get my email, write me at

katorott@yahoo.com

i have people that want kit cars built and i have the money for financing, just not the people with skills to help.

Thanks,
Nate

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