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poorboy
44 Posts |
 Posted - January 26 2003 : 03:20:54 AM
Hi.Does anyone have a source for a Lamborghini LM002 (or LM004) replica kit? I've never seen one, but these tucks are way cool IMHO, and out of production. They were built back in 1984 - well ahead of the market in many ways. I'd seriously consider buying a kit if available. Cheers,
poorboy. Link and link for reference. The XJR-15's pretty cool too... |
wedgedriver
USA
72 Posts |
Posted - January 26 2003 : 1:46:39 PM
would be pretty cool, not even too hard looking.could use about any 4wd 4door,
 but i would modernize it a little..
i like the new nissan wurano, seen that>? ha! |
poorboy
44 Posts |
Posted - January 26 2003 : 6:09:49 PM
Yeah, it's mostly flat faces, even the glass. I figure a Patrol or similar could donate its chassis. I've been trying to find scale drawings / models, but to no avail.A modernized version could be found in the never produced www.lambocars.com/framed/others/lm003.htm" target="_blank">LM003. I haven't seen a Nissan "Wurano", but did see the "www.nissan.co.jp/MS/TOKYO2001/EN/EVENT/011024_newsrelease.html" target="_blank">Crossbow" concept.
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wedgedriver
USA
72 Posts |
Posted - January 26 2003 : 7:41:42 PM
i meant ---Murano www.carcostcanada.com/en/images/catos/03%20Nissan%20Murano-3%20in%201%20pic 1 .jpg" border=0>
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poorboy
44 Posts |
Posted - January 26 2003 : 9:18:03 PM
ok. looks kinda cool. not really my bag though - i like something that can get seriously off-road too.
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meat
USA
992 Posts |
Posted - February 01 2003 : 09:34:07 AM
I've broached this subject before, and even posted it over at a hummer replica forum (www.hummerforum.com). Nobody seems to want to take up the task.It really doesn't look all that difficult to do, and once I get the M40 project off the ground, I'll look into this. Lamborghini doesn't seem to care if you make replicas of their older designs, and the LM002 was a really neat idea. Your pal,
Meat.
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poorboy
44 Posts |
Posted - February 06 2003 : 12:46:27 AM
Hmmm, interesting...The www.4wdonline.com/Nissan/GU.html" target="_blank">GU Nissan Patrol (Ford Maverick?) has close to the same wheelbase and track as the www.conceptcarz.com/folder/vehicle.asp?car_id=567" target="_blank">LM002: 2997 vs 2970 wheelbase, 1625/1625 vs 1605/1625. I don't know about the US options, but I'd imagine there'll be something close. Aftermarket axle alternatives aren't had to find either, so if it was to run on a custom space-frame or chassis, something "right" could probably be sourced (but it really wants independant suspension anyway). You say that nobody's up to the task? I'm a bit of a kit car newbie, so bear with me... What's actually inloved in starting a project like this, from the ground up? And can an "OpenSource" / "internet-based group effort" model apply in any reasonable way to parts of the development? The idea of a single-donor GT40 makes sense, but IMHO, the www.gt40.co.nz" target="_blank">GT40's (and Cobra's) have been done enough already... OTOH, I'm probably in a different market. Random kitcar link: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~don_s/kitcars.htm
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meat
USA
992 Posts |
Posted - February 06 2003 : 07:41:16 AM
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"...You say that nobody's up to the task? I'm a bit of a kit car newbie, so bear with me... What's actually inloved in starting a project like this, from the ground up? And can an "OpenSource" / "internet-based group effort" model apply in any reasonable way to parts of the development?..."
No, that's not what I said. I said nobody seems to want to take up the task, which is a significantly different statement. There are plenty of people and companies that could create the replica. What's involved with starting a project like this? Money. I have compiled and am currently editing a book called the "Open Source Cobra Replica," which shows you how to easily create your own Cobra replica from off-the-shelf parts for a reasonable cost (it's easy to do, if you know where to look). The downside of creating an 'open source' replica of an unsupported vehicle is that there aren't that many off-the-shelf parts you could use to create a LM002 that would be up to the spec of the original vehicle. The Hummer replica utilizes a modified Suburban or longbed pickup truck chassis as the base. Most replicas require you to move the engine, adjust the position of the rear axle, cut off the front and/or rear frame horns and - in some cases - change the suspension completely. The same type of chassis could be used to fit the LM002. The body on the Hummer is usually a metal tub with integral firewhall, which is then cut to fit the engine accessories. This is a custom part, and to do the same thing with the LM002 would be a major task. The LM002 has a diffent tub, and it's a more complex body than the Hummer, which is essentially a box with some cut outs, a center cavity, and some bent tubing. This would be a very expensive part to create. First you have to design it, then you have to build it, then you have to create the jig for it, then you have to build another one. It's not that it can't be done, it's that it's going to cost some money to do. The doors on the Hummer replicas are almost all made of sandwiched fiberglass. This wouldn't be that difficult to create for the LM002. The biggest PITA is going to be the interior, unless you go with a blank dash, basic interior, and seats sourced from Jeep interior suppliers. The Lamborghini has a very nice leather, wood, metal and carpet that is all handmade. Replicating this can mostly be done with fiberglass, but it's going to be complicated to get the right look. This would - once again - cost some cabbage. If you were going to cut corners, you could probably get a mold for the body made, using a metal subframe that you'd bond to it. But then you'd probably lose the utility bed; it'd only be useful for groceries or other light duty; throwing in a ton of fertilizer or railroad ties would not be a recommended activity. There are a number of other things you could do, but I don't see creating an LM002 on the internet as anything more than an exercise in futility. To build up a kit right, you're going to have to dedicate resources; time and money. And if you're going to do it so that it turns a profit, you're going to have to use a world car. My recommendation would be to use a rig that has lots of units in production. Probably going to want a nicer truck as well. If I were going to do it? I'd get a custom chassis manufactured so that it's dimensionally correct and properly reinforced. Then use a 4WD world-car donor as the base. Since the LM002 is a high-end car, with leather and all kinds of niceties, that donor would be the Range Rover; world car, nice (reusable) interior, proven drivetrain. But, as I've said, engineers cost money. And you want to make sure that the chassis is properly constructed and braced. Off-road activities put different stresses on a chassis than - for instance - you'd get on a GT40, so the chassis has to be properly triangulated and an integral rollover setup is almost a given. The most important part of any car is the chassis; it has to be set up properly. If it's not rigid, you can't make the suspension work predictable. If it isn't properly braced, you could get catastrophic failure. There are a number of other things that have to be addressed, and I'm not an engineer, nor to I have the proper software to do a finite element analysis. Trial an error isn't always the best way to do things. Especially with an off-road rig. Your pal,
Meat.
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poorboy
44 Posts |
Posted - February 06 2003 : 6:09:29 PM
Words of wisdom there. Sorry about mis-quoting.I suppose a lot depends on what the aim of such a project is. Currently those trucks sell for around $US 65K+, so the idea of spending large amounts for a replica (eg recent Range Rover donor) only make sense in that very few were originally built (although I know of 3 for sale right now). The idea of building a customised truck is an appeal, but aiming for a reproduction doesn't work for me - there's too many places things could be done better, or far cheaper for similar functionality. By an internet project, I'm thinking do the CAD/Modelling "online", parts sourcing, and general information gathering/component selection phases. At some point, that needs to be turned into metal of course, but I see little reason why a collaborative style couldn't be applied until that point. Certainly, it works with smaller scale physical projects like electronics and larger abstract stuff like software. My engineering background is limited to a couple of years of Mechanical at Uni, so I'm not sure I'm really qualified to get into the FEA stuff, but I'll talk to some friends and see what we can come up with... Not sure what you mean by "world car" though, as in the RHD Asia-Pacfic area, we don't get too many cheapish big ole 4x4s, other than the Japanese stuff and the pricier Land Rover products... different markets == different needs.
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meat
USA
992 Posts |
Posted - February 06 2003 : 6:56:59 PM
By world car, I am referring to a vehicle that is available in sufficient numbers, and is available worldwide. There are a limited number of cars that were made worldwide. The Suzuki Samurai is an example of a car that was made worldwide. I wouldn't necessarily recommend using it as the basis for a replica of a Lamborghini, though!Your pal,
Meat.
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wedgedriver
USA
72 Posts |
Posted - February 06 2003 : 9:42:30 PM
i have a database i got from : http://home2.pi.be/volckery/tiremarks_taking_measurements.htm
its on the bottom of the page. blazer s10 =2995mm
durango =2995mm
tahoe =2980mm
LM-002 =3000mm
nissan patrol =3000mm ,seems like the most likely candidate but a bit narrow ha! |
poorboy
44 Posts |
Posted - February 16 2003 : 05:45:46 AM
wedgedriver, i think the model listed is one of the older ones. The GU Patrol is quite a bit wider than the GQ or MQ models (see my earlier post).I've looked a bit harder at this concept, and if I list my "ideal" designs/components, eg air suspension, toyota v8, etc, etc, it quickly gets to a point where things are not real cost-effective, and very little is left of the original donor. Not that it's much different from a regular street kit-car... When I look at some of the local low-volume stuff, eg http://www.countess.co.nz/ http://www.saker.co.nz/ http://www.f40.co.nz/f40/index.htm it's pretty easy to see that to get a really good result, a custom base is needed.The idea of using a Patrol (or whatever) is ok if you limit the concept to being a rebodied Patrol, but to build something special seems to mean mucho custom work, with some limited donor parts. Not impossible, just a lot of work...
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Lambo LM002 Kits?
