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wedgedriver
USA
72 Posts |
 Posted - January 16 2003 : 09:38:16 AM
I have been seriously thinking about some new designs. I have the resources to produce some new bodies. It seems the industry has settled on a few of the same designs, personally I'm bored. I actually had to prove the reality of a diablo to a friend, he was convinced it was a kit, because he has seen a few lately.I have resources for: Mclaren F1 and Jag XJ220 and maybe a murcielago. I was also joking with a friend about beating the lamo folks to the punch and building a Gallardo before they released it next year. (admit it, wouldn't you like to have a supercar before the maker was finished with the original?) anyway, the major question is would you buy an F1 or XJ220 ?
what donors would you use? and what level builder are you? ha! |
gavinr2003
74 Posts |
Posted - January 16 2003 : 9:07:58 PM
F1 if it's a choice of the two. Driven a 220 and wasn't impressed, too big and heavy. Maybe speak to Ultima, that's what McLaren did!As for components, a single donor seems unlikely, bespoke perhaps? Regards GavinR http://ca.photos.yahoo.com/grmtsunami
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wedgedriver
USA
72 Posts |
Posted - January 16 2003 : 10:21:25 PM
i was hoping for more responses. but thanks, i think the f1 is my next project, really i want feedback.... would you buy one? what kind of setup? stage 1, 2 , or turn-key? i have a source for bmw v12's for relatively cheap. what prices would people pay? feed back
feed back
feed back ha! |
DiabloVT_Racer
USA
76 Posts |
Posted - January 16 2003 : 10:25:34 PM
I would also be interested in a F1. I would rather build on a tube chassis, with the new Cadillac DeVelle all alumim. engine and a hewland or porsche trans axle. Most people have never seen a Mclaren F1 and I would much rather own a 1,000,000 dollar super car replica over a 250,000 super car replica. I guess that is my personal preference. I hope this helps.
One more thing, I think the Jag would be a much harder kit to build because of its window structure...
DiabloVT_Racer
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DiabloVT_Racer
USA
76 Posts |
Posted - January 16 2003 : 10:37:33 PM
I saw you posted again right after I left my post and I have some more things to add. I would personally want the stage 1 or 2. The only way i would buy it if it was appealing, had great specs, and well designed. I would want the power:weight almost like the real one. I am not sure I would be interested in the BMW V12 just because of the weight, although it would give the look of the real car. Its a lot better than the Jag V12. I guess it is what ever you prefer.
DiabloVT_Racer
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DiabloVT_Racer
USA
76 Posts |
Posted - January 16 2003 : 10:44:49 PM
sorry for posting so much, but I just remembered that automotiveconcepts2002 has Mclaren F1 body molds for sale. He is asking $8250
here is the link:
http://www.kitcars.com/Classifieds/AdDetails.asp?classified_id=1811
Here is the add:
**FOR SALE: Mclaren F1 Plug**
Plug was professionally machined from pound and a half EPS foam. Cost over $15k, yours for much less. Great business opportunity. Exact dimensions as the million dollar supercar! Must sell.
Price: $8250 City: Orange County
State/Locale: CA
Country: US
E-mail: Roplatinum88@aol.com thought this would help
:)
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wedgedriver
USA
72 Posts |
Posted - January 16 2003 : 11:01:23 PM
thanks, i saw the plugs avertised, not the same guy though. automotive concepts is out of phoenix, not orange county. besides all the contact info is different. it looks as though i willl have to work up a chassis. but that leaves all kinds of room for options.
ha!
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Logan
41 Posts |
Posted - January 17 2003 : 04:03:53 AM
I would be going for the F1.I wouldn't vote on using the Fiero for a donor, just because its old (84-88) thats 15-19 years old. Also its not made in a right hand drive version (i think :S) which means its hard to find one in Australia, New Zealand, UK? (not sure), Japan?(again not sure) and other countries. I would say a newer car like possibly a 10 year old Toyota or Honda, just because they're everywhere. Not sure on how easy they would be to modify though. Well just my opinion, if it means anything  .
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lefttrn
USA
37 Posts |
Posted - January 20 2003 : 04:36:52 AM
Having spent most of my life around high performance and racing cars, I would pick the F1. Damn fine looking and performing car! I would like to see someone build a high-performance chassis with adjustable coil over shocks that was capable of handling a 500hp+ powerplant. This "Donar car" concept just doesn't do it for me with a replicar of the F1, Lambo of prancing horse caliber. I've seen it on the cobra kits, but a Lambo on a VW chassic just don't float my boat. Just my two cents worth...Don't anyone take it personally..
thanks Earl Earl Buffaloe |
V12 Lover
54 Posts |
Posted - January 20 2003 : 05:48:09 AM
Great new designs are cool. And I agree It shouldn't just look like a high performance car it should have the correct engine too.BMW V12 Engine weights: BMW 4.5L V12 607 lb (2) (50) "Fully dressed" prototype
BMW 4.5L V12 974 lb (57) iron prototype
BMW 5.0 V12 529 lb (22) (57) "fully dressed" Another cool V12 engine available at www.falconerengines.com Falconer V12 Weights:
Standard Performace:
Weight:522lb
Performance: Running 92 Octane unleaded gas:
650HP at 5200RPM
560FT.LB Torque at 1500RPM
750FT.LB Torque at 4500RPM
Optional:Supercharger or Turbocharger
Watch out Lamorghini! High Performance:
Weight:522lb
Performance: Running race gas:
1100 HP at 6500-7000RPM Normally aspirited
1200-1600HP Supercharged or Turbocharged
Optional:Supercharger or Turbocharger
Watch out Lamorghini!
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meat
USA
992 Posts |
Posted - January 20 2003 : 09:28:01 AM
quote:
"...This "Donar car" concept just doesn't do it for me with a replicar of the F1, Lambo of prancing horse caliber. I've seen it on the cobra kits, but a Lambo on a VW chassic just don't float my boat..."
Um...what Lambo is built on a VW chassis? And, more importantly, how many VW-based Cobra replicas have you seen built on a VW chassis? I believe there's a general misconception out there that some people have about kit cars. At the Barrett-Jackson auction another supposedly knowledgeable person who's 'been around performance cars' all his life called the kit Cobras Tupperware. Tupperware? Does Kirkham know this? Your pal,
Meat.
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wedgedriver
USA
72 Posts |
Posted - January 20 2003 : 10:27:10 AM
i agree that a donor vehicle would be hard to "farm" out a chassis for the F1. i have been exploring some chassis designers. found a couple 500-600hp frames that need only the cosmetic (shell support) added. looking at $9k for the chass-1200 pounds than shell, interior, drive bits. like $20-25k for 350hp 2300 pound mclaren..next question..
for legalities; what shall we call the kit?
i was thinking "McLauren" Ef1 (economy version)
or "McArlin" ha! |
swoodard23
204 Posts |
Posted - January 20 2003 : 3:05:13 PM
I have actually seen several lambo kits on ebay that have been based on a vw beetle. I actually have a kit car magazine with a picture of a diablo replica lone star was working on using the vw chassis. I don't really understand why everyone is so negative beetle. The body comes right off, you have a stock curbweight of 2000lbs and have seen many kits boasting 1300-1700lbs curbweight, tons of aftermarket parts, cheap donors, and ability to do a v8 conversion. I would like to hear some reason a beetle would be a poor donor choice besides the stigma. If you will visit www.shoptalkforums.com you will see that many bugs have been built that will outrun just about anything you put up against them.
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csjrishere
USA
99 Posts |
Posted - January 21 2003 : 2:06:29 PM
How about the Caddy super concept from last year...the Cien???http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/02images/cien1.jpg
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automotiveconcepts2002
USA
288 Posts |
Posted - January 21 2003 : 3:58:51 PM
First of all I would never sale my plug
and I already bought the CNC PLUG FROM JEREMY
It will be here sometime on sunday.
I made my plug by hand and gauged it to spec.
And if you one of my see one of my kits forsale they will be
picture of the kit
Thank you
Robert Stewart
Automotive Concepts
team az
www.lamborghinireplicas.com
robert
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wedgedriver
USA
72 Posts |
Posted - January 23 2003 : 10:00:52 AM
robert, i have already emailed you. i wanted to know if we could start some sort of sales relationship. i know i have the resources to see many of your bodies. are you interested?????emailed from whitej ha! |
ronsupercar
USA
82 Posts |
Posted - January 23 2003 : 10:37:23 AM
If you were going to do a F1 with the doors and the center seats, I'd have to go with that..You'd have to go with the BMW V12.. A Jag V12 is light and can be powerful, but is too expensive to maintain and usually have alot of electrical problems..I do like the Idea of some one selling replicas of concept cars..I don't think the lawyers will run after somone makiing copies of one off vehicles.. The Sultan of Bruni (sp) has ******* make him one off of many different *******s, mabe you should look int replicating those.. 
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automotiveconcepts2002
USA
288 Posts |
Posted - January 23 2003 : 5:09:16 PM
YES WHITE YOU ARE IN BUT I COULD NOT SIT BACK
AND LISTEN TO SOMEONE SAY I WAS SALEING THE ONE
THING THAT GETS ME UP IN THE MORNNING
SORRY TO INTRUDE ON YOUR CHAT BUT THAT JUST GOT TO ME
ROBERT
robert
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wedgedriver
USA
72 Posts |
Posted - January 23 2003 : 10:24:55 PM
robert, you are always welcome, no intrusion, i would love to hear more feedback. i want to make a good name and avoid the things that everone talks about when dealing with these kit manufacturers.the problem with most is that they are either scam artists that have a good idea and shoddy product, or artist/mechanics that haven't the marketing ability to get their good product to the public.
email me with more info on your kits..... need to know more!
ha! |
wedgedriver
USA
72 Posts |
Posted - January 29 2003 : 08:56:32 AM
so, does anyone want one??????ha! |
Trevor
Canada
64 Posts |
Posted - February 15 2003 : 5:42:28 PM
I would vote for the Mclaren, but with a tube frame and some choices on engines (thinking Audi or Porsche here). I think it (the Mclaren) would be a good modern choice. I do wonder if Mclaren would send it's lawyers out to stop it tho. If I could request any replica/kit it would be a Porsche GT1. My all time fave is the Porsche 917 replica's that the Aussie company is doing, but I doubt it could be made street legal.... Trevor
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poorboy
44 Posts |
Posted - February 16 2003 : 06:34:39 AM
The McLaren is sweet. I like XJR-15 Jag too. Is 4wd a viable option? Eg, using Audi / Subaru components.Although I like the F1, I'm not really a fan of the replica market. I wonder about concepts that never got to production, like www.conceptcarz.com/folder/vehicle.asp?car_id=4886&vehicleTypeID=1" target="_blank">ItalDesign's Twenty Twenty or maybe one of the many sports car concepts of recent years.
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Not Anonymous
USA
37 Posts |
Posted - February 16 2003 : 2:57:35 PM
I think the idea of building a f1 replica is a really good one, but it isnt original. A little while ago some company used a vw chassis and tried to make a f1 lookalike kit, but the nose was too curved and the wheelbase too short... not very convincing (but at least they got the door hinges right)
Anyway you could use a mr2 chassis and make it longer, but just as with any doner it would be hard to get the 1+2 seating right.
as for the bimmer v12 engine it would make the car tail heavy and hard to drive.I suggest using the LT1 v8 because they are cheap and plentiful.I have spoken |
wedgedriver
USA
72 Posts |
Posted - February 18 2003 : 4:55:41 PM
the lotus esprit matches the specs perfect but a bit expensive for a donorha! |
paulgregory
58 Posts |
Posted - February 18 2003 : 5:09:41 PM
Anybody consider a Panoz LPM roadster for a kit type.
The body would lend itself well to a kit,no roof,no doors,and
as a front engine could use a wide selection of donors.
And nobodys done one yet.
Paul
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Maty_280ZX
Argentina
118 Posts |
Posted - February 18 2003 : 11:34:07 PM
I think the XJ220 is much better looking than the F1.What about the following cars? Opel Astra OPC X-treme (I´mean, it´s almost a real DTM)
BMW Z8 (or perhaps a Z4. I prefer the Z8)
Mercedes Benz SL500 roadster (I love this one)
Maserati 3200 GT
Aston Martin Vanquish
Bugatti EB110 GT
Alfa Romeo (or Italdesign) Schighera (I would pay to see this one)
BMW Nazca What about the ******* 550 (or 575, I´m not sure) Barcheta Pinninfarina? I can´t believe no one has done it yet! And what about this classics?
Lamborghini Miura SV
******* 275 GTB4
Toyota 2000GT
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