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thunderstruck
46 Posts |
 Posted - January 17 2006 : 10:32:10 PM
To keep things short: I am from Europe. In 2003, I went to New Jersey to meet Eric Shave (Wild Copper: http://www.wildcopper.net/) and
Paul Sher (Code One Costum Auto, http://www.codeoneauto.com/) and I have spent 30,000 dollars deposit on a super high quality replica of a movie car. I have been waiting for 3 years but I have not received anything but excuses and mails. I have a contract, bank transfer authentification etc to proof my claim. I know that I am not the only victim. Does anyone of you know them? Has anybody of you sued them? Thanks a lot! thunder |
spyhunter2k
USA
38 Posts |
Posted - February 04 2006 : 10:36:00 PM
Eric Shave has scammed many out of money. He has been known to deliver parts, but only after much delay, many excuses (most lies), and often threat of legal action.Paul Sher is more reputable, but is aware of Eric's irresponsible ways and has even voiced annoyance of them on public forums. Yet, he continues to work in partnership with him from time to time. I've heard many bad stories about Eric, but not many about Paul. For more info on these two and what others have to say about their personal dealings with them, go to http://www.knightregistries.com and do a search on the forum/message board. This is a site for those building Knight Rider "K.I.T.T." replicas. Best of luck. Good cars wear black. |
thunderstruck
46 Posts |
Posted - May 15 2006 : 07:34:30 AM
I want to keep this thread updated: Almost nothing has happened in the meanwhile although 3 months have passed. Paul Sher Jr. has paid nothing and does not even react on my mails/phone calls any more. Eric Shave has paid as much as 2,000, but has not paid anything within the last 3 months. Incredible. I cant believe what is possible in USA, I thought such crap would only happen in Nigeria. Any others of you who read these lines for the first time and want to share some ideas on how to act on them?
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Rick
USA
212 Posts |
Posted - May 15 2006 : 11:11:18 AM
Yeah - get an international scam lawyer and start litigation.
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thunderstruck
46 Posts |
Posted - May 16 2006 : 05:43:29 AM
Well a lawyer might not be the most innovative idea in terms of the profitability of the whole procedure. A lawyer charges 300$-500$ per hour. So I pay a fortune (maybe more than the deposit) to win a crystal clear case... There is nothing to do for a lawyer, the question is just if I will receive money from people who claim to own nothing after I have won the lawcase. So there should be something better.
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kitcarguy
535 Posts |
Posted - May 16 2006 : 06:43:27 AM
Well you could always just go to his shop with a bat and a container of gasoline.....J/KYou cant be to concerned if legal action is not the route you want to take. It might be alot to get a lawyer but it would probally get resolved www.kitcar.ws |
Rick
USA
212 Posts |
Posted - May 16 2006 : 08:47:59 AM
The big hurtle that you're facing is that there is no international scam law that I know of. A few years ago my credit card was highjacked on an Ebay sell to someone from the UK. I was able to trace the highjacker all the way to an apartment somewhere in Japan, but I couldn't press any charges either through Ebay or the credit card issuer.
Perhaps the first step would be to contact New Jersey's Better Business Bureau and get it on record. Then, contact the State Attorney General's office to see if you have any recourse (other than the molotav cocktail, suggested earlier).
From what has been posted here, Paul Sher may be the one to lean on first - pressure him to pressure Eric. If they are on the same contract, it sounds like Paul wouldn't want to have any legal action brought against him. Again, start with the BBB, and let Paull know you've filed against both he and Eric.Rick
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Seajay
USA
46 Posts |
Posted - May 16 2006 : 09:24:04 AM
If this guy has owed you 30 thousand for three years and you haven't recieved satisfaction from this person and you are in a position that you can not confront this person one on one....... FORGET ABOUT IT ..... YOU HAVE 'BEEN HAD' ... TAKE IT AS A LESSON AND MOVE ON...... You are not going to get any kind of satisfaction thru the Better Business Bureau or the Chamber of Commerece and a 'lawyer' will TAKE YOUR MONEY and tell you that "the wheels of justice grind slowly"....." send me another five grand and maybe something will happen soon".....
BEEN THERE ................. DONE THAT and I never got a dime.
The only satisfaction I got was knowing that the 'jerk' died in a tragic hunting accident and I have a picture of his grave stone.
(p.s. They never found the person who 'accidently shot him')Seajay |
thunderstruck
46 Posts |
Posted - May 16 2006 : 1:18:06 PM
The BBB is informed, and I also might inform the FBI soon. The problem is that any measures including these thread can decrease or decrease the probability of a refund: decrease because potential other customers to be scammed will not pay money to them that could be refunded to me, increase because they are under pressure without any costs besides the time I invest in writing these lines. I thought about visiting Sher/Shave in person but that again will cost 1,000 for travel expenses and I would not know what to do there. I suppose without knowing the USA laws that I would be grilled when buring down his house the same way I will be grilled on the electric chair when drivin more than 60 miles on the highway. So this is not an option. However, it may be irrational. I will not follow Seajay's advice and just forget about the money. Its 30k, too much to ignore. And if anyone thinks that he can play games just because I am 4000 miles away, beware.
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kitcarguy
535 Posts |
Posted - May 16 2006 : 5:32:20 PM
Good luck. Im not sure there is much you can do after 3 yearswww.kitcar.ws |
thunderstruck
46 Posts |
Posted - June 12 2006 : 2:55:47 PM
I put all the information of this case on one homepage www.shavedbysher.comAll (maybe to many) details are given there for everyone who is interested. I hope to receive a lot of feedback and information from others who have similar experiences. Thanks for reading!
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kitcarguy
535 Posts |
Posted - June 12 2006 : 7:44:44 PM
Great read. So you were looking to ge a HARDCASTLE & McCORMICK Manta built and you never got it? IM going to search around a little and see if there is anything that can be done.www.kitcar.ws |
kitcarguy
535 Posts |
Posted - June 13 2006 : 6:19:13 PM
What happened you took the site down?www.kitcar.ws |
thunderstruck
46 Posts |
Posted - December 19 2006 : 10:50:43 PM
What has happened is that I received an email from an US-American who lost a 4-digit amount to Paul Sher years ago, but got it back. The police was involved etc. He offered to assist me in this case. I put the webiste down, it was online only 8 hours. I actually only wanted to get support in this way. The website is online again: www.shavedbysher.com
What has happened in the meanwhile is: In January 2006 Paul Sher told me that he received 10k of my 30k deposit. He will refund it as soon as possible. He is selling property to get the money etc. Now he tells everybody that he never received any funds!! Eric Shave started in January 2006 telling me that he will refund 15k because he takes 50% of the responsibility. He refunded 2k but several times he told me that he sent money again, will send money soon etc. Nothing happened. He told me that he can provide notarised documents that proove that Paul Sher got 20k, he himself only 10k etc. He told me that the documents have been sent to my address. Nothing ever happened. Lies, lies, lies to the power of 10. What i want to repeat is the incredible dimension of this case. Eric Shave has scammed 21,250 out of a Swiss in 2001. The same way the documents "have been sent", he has also "just shipped the car to Switzerland"...always the same stories. It has never been shipped. It is just a used Manta Montage he never modified in any way. The Swiss now owns that car that is in Paul Sher's shop. Sher has done some fiberglassing on it, but well it is incomplete, unpainted, undrivable, it is worth a fraction and of no value to the Swiss. i paid 30k for pictures(!) of this car and i own nothing. absolutely incredible that no authority cares about that. where i come from they would be in jail. i will not give up. i will not accept that eric shave and paul sher sit on the beach and spend my hard earned 30,000 dollars for doing absolutely nothing. i am thankful for any support or information.
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gullwing
New Zealand
150 Posts |
Posted - January 02 2007 : 4:41:52 PM
There is one other possibility that you might consider. In the US mail fraud is a Federal crime and is serious buisness. If your transactions took place using US mail, as opposed to money wired through a bank or Fed-Ex than you are in luck. If you have the documents regarding the case then you can contact the postmaster general for the state of New Jersey. If (and this is always a big if) you can convince them to get involved then these two guys are in serious trouble. The Feds won't help you get your money back they can put these guys in prison for many years. Also, they will do all of the work and investigating so it should not cost you to hire an attorney. If the Feds go after them they will be spending lots and lots of money to hire attorneys to try to stay out of jail. The first advice an attorney will give them (if you have good documents against them) is to pay you off so that you will back down. If they make you happy then perhaps they can either persuade the prosecutor that it was all a big misunderstanding but it is resolved now or perhaps you won't be willing to come from UK to testify against them. In any case there is a statute of limitation of (I think) 5 years so don't wait too long.
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jaysherman
139 Posts |
Posted - January 04 2007 : 11:13:43 PM
You might want to consider an asset search for property etc that you could lean. This could tie them up a little. You might get a private Detective to check them out.
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thunderstruck
46 Posts |
Posted - January 05 2007 : 12:06:28 AM
thanks for your comments. the mail fraud suggestion sounds interesting. i transferred the money via international bank transfer from europe to USA so i do not know whether the postmaster general will be concerned. i will try to get into contact with this person although i did not find any contact details after a short research on the web. gullwing describes my strategy correctly. i do not want to hire a private detective and i do not want to pay money to a lawyer. i am in contact with both, but i am reluctant to throw good money after the bad. if really no authority cared about this case, i will sue them.
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hesaliar
37 Posts |
Posted - July 01 2008 : 1:43:42 PM
You'll never get satisfaction from him. He lives by scamming. I think he's not got 1 honest bone in his body. I only can hope Karma is real and he gets his well deserved reward for a lifetime of stealing, scamming and lying. Good luck in your persuit of your money. You and the Swiss were prime targets.
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snowrail
37 Posts |
Posted - July 15 2008 : 07:15:22 AM
Years ago I was selling a ******* Daytona on a Vette chassis (McBurnie type) on eBay and Paul bought it. He showed up with a trailer to pick it up and after it was loaded up told me he didn't have the money in full, and offered a few thousand less than he'd offered in the auction, saying he'd send the rest later. I was moving and had to get the car out of there, so I agreed. Needless to say I never saw the remainder of the money... So whether you're buyer or seller, I'd recommend keeping your distance.
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thunderstruck
46 Posts |
Posted - July 31 2008 : 02:06:07 AM
It is fascinating to read these horrible stories after this long time. My website www.shavedbysher.com is back. I added a nice new section "Sher speaks". There are a few screenshots of Shers postings on chickslovethecar.com and my comments on it. BEsides the many emails he has sent me ("email documentation") where he says that he got 10,000 dollars of my money, he even mentioned it to his colleages on the cltc site. As it turned out Eric Shave paid back 10,000 dollars. Paul Sher 0 (null, zero). Paul Sher and his lawyer did not react on the attempts of my lawyer to find a settlement. thanks to the american legal system sueing him costs more than i will get. so its is unprofitable. I like this helpful message board here a lot and i want to provide the information on my site to anybody who plans to deal with Mr. Paul Sher Jr. in any way. I wished that i had the information on shavedbysher.com in 2003 before i paid 30,000 dollars for nothing.
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Cars from Eric Shave (Wild Copper) and Paul Sher
