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phried

USA
44 Posts
Posted - February 10 2004 :  6:27:47 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
After several unsuccessful google searches and a few unreplied-to emails I had pretty much given up on the idea of getting glass made for the car that I am designing and thinking about building. But I got ahold of APG Autoglass (www.apgautoglass.com if I remember correctly) and got a very rough estimate. The guy was pretty adamant about getting the EXACT size for a qoute even though I said twice that I wanted a BALLPARK estimate, I just wanted to get it with in a digit since I didn't know if it was $5k, $15k, or what.

I just hope that this get picked up by google so it saves someone else the time that I spent hunting it down. It looks like there is a big setup but that gives you a first windshield, if I wanted to keep a couple extra around and/or sell them off I think that it would be reasonable (even though 20 are required). If anyone else has similar information from a different company, I'd really appreciate it if you posted it here, I'd like to see that too.

Here is the entire email exchange. (Read from the bottom-up, duh!)

Ken,
Good Morning! Thanks for your reply. The template can be made of fiberglass,
wood, metal, glass, plexi glass. Any of these materials are acceptable. In
the past we have received templates made of wood and metal, metal and glass,
fiberglass and metal. The initial cost is for a mold, bending the mold,
checking for proper fit and for general set up. Any additional glass will be
just the cost of the glass plus shipping. Future orders can be placed for a
minimum of twenty pieces. Once we get the size of the glass I can tell you
the cost per windscreen. Without the size of the glass I am unable to figure
cost at this time. Again, Thank You for your interest. Hope to hear from you
soon.
Timothy Morgan
Specialty Glass Account Manager
865-675-0525
865-675-0526 Fax

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken DuCharme [mailto:-email address removed-]
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 7:57 PM
To: warehouse@mail.agpglass.com
Subject: RE: Custom auto-glass information?


Cool, that sounds great! I have a couple of follow-up questions about the
process:
-Can more windshields of the same design be made at a lower cost then?
-What are some of the kinds of material have the templates been made of in
the past? Fiberglass? plaster? wood?

Thanks for you help.
-ken


>From: "warehouse" <warehouse@mail.agpglass.com>
>To: "'Ken DuCharme'" <-email address removed->
>Subject: RE: Custom auto-glass information?
>Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 08:16:53 -0500
>
>Ken,
>A CAD file is not necessary but we do need something to give us an exact
>shape , size and curvature. You could give us a template, made of any
>material rigid enough to hold its shape. One custom windshield is usually
>around $2000-3000, but this is just a guestimate. Once we have exact
>measurements then we can quote prices more accurately. The whole process
>takes about 12-16 weeks from the time we get your template or approved
>file.
>Please let me know if we can further assist you.
>Timothy Morgan
>Specialty Glass Account Manager
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ken DuCharme [mailto:-email address removed-]
>Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 8:05 PM
>To: warehouse@mail.agpglass.com
>Subject: RE: Custom auto-glass information?
>
>
>Well I was just wondering if I could get a ballpark estimate on a producing
>a single new windshield. Are we talking $500? $5000? I don't have a
>production-worthy CAD file, there is probably another 3 months until I
>would
>have a CAD model to give you.
>
>Is this possible, or do you need a definite design?
>
>Thanks,
>-ken
>
>
> >From: "warehouse" <warehouse@mail.agpglass.com>
> >To: <-email address removed->
> >Subject: RE: Custom auto-glass information?
> >Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:46:57 -0500
> >
> > Ken,
> >Thank You for your interest in our company. We can make custom
>windshields.
> >All we need is either a CAD file or a template that is exact to what you
> >want. We can then discuss cost and time of production. We are able to
> >produce as many pieces or as few pieces as you need. please let me know
>if
> >I
> >can be of further assistance.
> >
> >Timothy Morgan
> >Specialty Glass Account Manager
> >865-675-0525
> >865-675-0526 Fax
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: AGP USA [mailto:agpusa@agpglass.com]
> >Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 10:40 AM
> >To: Tim
> >Subject: Fw: Custom auto-glass information?
> >
> >
> >From: "Ken DuCharme" <-email address removed->
> >To: <agpusa@agpglass.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 7:21 PM
> >Subject: Custom auto-glass information?
> >
> >
> > > Are you capable of making custom windshields for custom-design cars?
>If
> >so,
> > > is it reasonable to make small numbers of them, or is it only
> >financially
> > > possible in large quantities?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > -ken
> > >
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>
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>

I hope that helps someone out!

phried

USA
44 Posts
Posted - February 10 2004 :  6:45:40 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention one more thing and I had a few questions.

My state requires lights, seatbelts, etc, and for windshield it says "Clear" and "Safety Glass" that is why I looked specifically for safety glass. Does anyone know how closely they check that? Could I get away with lexan? I could etched "DOT approved" using my CNC machine.


And has anyone ever ground down a windshield (like they say here: www.desertlord.com/kingdomcustoms/faq.shtml#parts" target="_blank">http://www.desertlord.com/kingdomcustoms/faq.shtml#parts)

Thanks,
-ken

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Bobi1

Bulgaria
228 Posts
Posted - February 15 2004 :  10:52:38 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi,check this link:
http://www.agpglass.com/


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phried

USA
44 Posts
Posted - February 15 2004 :  5:04:41 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
They are the same company. apgautoglass.com is a part of apgglass.com

Thanks though!

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corumba

Australia
48 Posts
Posted - February 16 2004 :  6:22:40 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi
if it is a new concept car that you are building i have vast experience in this area.
if the glass will only fit your car the best option is to either look for something very similiar and make it fit your car as this will bypass a lot of unnecassry costs and i have found in the past that even with a template there can be very minor differences that can be major problems as you cannot change the shape of the glass after it is made.
a suggestion is to look at cars with a similiar shape and pirate that for your car.
if you want something exotic look at maybe the lotus or something similiar as these winshields are available off the shelf or maybe something you are borrowing some ideas from.
you will find that no glass company will be interested unless its high volume or high price for something that they can t sell anywhere else.
hope this helps
trevor

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phried

USA
44 Posts
Posted - February 20 2004 :  1:50:56 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
How exactly do you just make a windshield fit?

I've read some things about grinding windshields down to a template, but this doesn't sound to me like its something that my local auto glass shop could do. Am I wrong on this assumption?

Or are you talking about just editing my design to accomodate the windshield? This isn't a very desireable option, but I guess I could make compromises. Would I just walk around a parking ramp and measure people's windshields?

Thanks for your help!


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corumba

Australia
48 Posts
Posted - February 21 2004 :  02:10:41 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i suppose the main question would be, and why APG won't commit themselves, is wether the shape you are looking for is a radical design as in severe curves (like a lotus or 917 porche) because if you submit a cad file or template and it doesn't fit, there are extra costs in changing the mould. and it becomes a nightmare
what i am meaning is to produce your template but keep in mind there could be minor adjustments to make and it is a lot easier and cheaper to slightly change the body than to get the glass retooled.
you can grind and even cut laminated glass but it is very risky and if you need to do that each time you fit one in your car it is not desirable so yes i am saying it is better to edit your car if any changes are necassary.
it is hard to explain this by writing it here but i have worked on several concept cars, as in glass, and a lot of people don't consider the pitfalls involved with it, the glass is in some ways the pivotal point in a project car because it is what people first notice if it is not right.
i hope what i am saying makes sense to you but i am 25 years in the autoglass industry both technical and hands on so i know what i mean i just hope i projected it properly to you.
I am surprised that they would work off a cad file as we would not and neither would any other glass company i have ever spoken with.

if you go to them i suggest you make a solid template in fiberglass and make it as accurate as you possibly can in both size and shape,
that way if it is wrong and doesn't fit your original template the onus is on them to rectify it.

hope i helped
trevor

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