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saylo1234


40 Posts
Posted - February 03 2004 :  10:38:59 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dear all:

I am new to kit cars. However, it has always been my dream to own a car that looks like the Lamborghini Murcielago or the countache or the ******* F-50.

I perused the classified of this site. Most of the cars are based on the Fiero platform or the GM (american made platform).

I figure if I am going to buy a kit car and spend about 30k or so, I'd want a car that is going to last. A fiero can't last too long. GM with 3.8 Liter engine may last longer, but I just wish that more cars were built on the MR2 or other japanese platform.

What choices are out there? Do they exist in good nubmers? I can't seem to find them too much in the classifieds.

Do other people distrust the Fiero as much as I do? I have seen friends get stranded driving Fieros back in the early 90's. I also dont' trust GM engines. They are American made and therefore is probably less trust-worthy than the good ol' MR2's and S2000's or the integras or RSX's.

I hope I don't offend anyone with what I am saying aobut US cars.

In short, I am wondering if there are a lot of kit cars build on reliable japanese platforms. And if not, why not??

cheers. thx in advance.

Hammerhead


39 Posts
Posted - February 04 2004 :  01:34:00 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have no experience in kit cars but use to rebuild wrecked cars for several years basically as a helper so I have some experience with car parts and building. Im like you, the Fiero platform doesn't impress me much. I suppose you can build a pretty good car using a Fiero chassis but it has no "racing blood" in it. Also any Fiero you get as a donor is probably going to be high mileage and almost worn out. I would hate to build a car with worn out, low performance parts. I've been looking at the Attack car and the chassis looks beautiful, but it uses a 90-93 Accord. I don't know that much about Accord because I never worked on them but I dont think they're that hot of performance and Im assuming any one you buy is going to be high millage and probably about half worn out too. I suppose its just what you want and can afford. Im sure a lot of guys have built donor car kits and had fun with it.

P.S. This is to all the guys who don't have any experience in body repair and parts. My brother and I use to rebuild wrecks and we sometimes bought used parts from salvage yards. BEWARE! They will sell you junk, over charge you, and then laugh at you behind your back as your walking out the door-they're slick. I fell for it a few times before I got wise.

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curld7

United Kingdom
44 Posts
Posted - February 04 2004 :  07:27:42 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This kit is based on the MR2 Mrk II (SW20) shell, and there’s no need to stretch the chassis ether.






More info here http://hometown.aol.co.uk/curld7/myhomepage/auto.html

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kitkar


126 Posts
Posted - February 04 2004 :  09:28:08 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don't think Fieros are unreliable. I've been driving them for years and haven't had any more problems than my other cars. Actually, I think the car with the most problems I've had would be a Dodge Stealth (Mitsubishi 3000GT).
Fiero's are used as kit donors because they lend themselves well to kits. You can strip off all the body panels and not lose any chassis rigidity. That makes it a great platform for rebodies.
Most kit builders replace or upgrade all the worn out parts anyway. You can replace all the suspension and brake components with high performance parts and swap in a new motor. By the time you are done, it is practically a new car.
The Attack doesn't use the Accord chassis, it uses donor parts (motor, trans, suspension I think, etc.) from an accord. The chassis is an all new tubular chassis.

Rick Lord
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saylo1234


40 Posts
Posted - February 04 2004 :  10:04:26 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dear Curld7:

Taht looks liek an awesome rebody! I looked at your web site and I like what I see. I hope to find one of those in the States that is an MR2 with all the prominent emblems.

Since I know that the MR2 is a reliable car, I wouldn't have any problems driving it as a daily car. Now, that would be fun, wouldn't it! Most folk who own the real thing can only garage it and take it out on special occasions. Never mind that a car is meant to be driven. Those high exotics often just end up being garage rockets. I, on the other hand, if I get a Terrari or a Foyota, will be able to drive it as much as I want with low insurance rates and low maintenance fees.

Cool deal! Do you know where I can find them in the States? Just seems as though in the states, everyone goes for the Fiero.

sincerley. Moser.

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saylo1234


40 Posts
Posted - February 04 2004 :  10:06:23 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dear Kit car:

I have always wanted to own a swoopy, aggressive car like the Countach (non-US version so that the front bumper is not so ugly) or the Diablo or the Murcielago or one of the good looking *******s with prominent big horse emblems. However, I have always known that I would not be able to shell out the 192k for such a great looking car.

I guess what it boils down to is that: you are right, I am not looking for a true replica. I am looking for a rebody. My car doesn't even have to be fast. I just want it to look hot as heck and turn heads when I pull up. As far as Under the hood, I just want to have a good reliable engine. It is interesting that you say that maybe my buddy's Fiero may just needed a tune up. I will read the Pennock forum and give the Fiero another look. Maybe I have been unjustly biased toward the Fiero.

The reason I am looking for a reliable platform is that I want to drive it a lot. This was the reason that I was wishing for a toyota. I know toyotas can easily run 250k. Can you imagine: a Murcielago that you drive everyday. That would be great. Do you realize how fun that would be? You can't even do that with the real thing, since, as I understand it, exotic car's life is quite a bit shorter than most cars. You pay a premium when you go for performance.

So, my specific needs are: 1. looks; 2. reliability (for lots of daily driving). For now, the search continues.


Thank you for your input. I'll have to take a seond look at the Fiero. For one thing, I shut myself off to a lot of great looking cars when I shut out the Fiero as an viable option.

sincerley. Moser.


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BaldwinMotion

USA
63 Posts
Posted - February 04 2004 :  1:19:03 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
salyo1234, the fiero is a very reliable car if well maintained which can last beyond 200,000 miles. the claim that american cars are poorly built and constantly in disrepair is a complete falicy; if properly maintained they are the best cars you can get with a plethora of aftermarket replacement and performance parts.

if you want to go with an import donor, powerhouse has a beautiful 355 based on the mr2 platform which i'm sure he could tell you more about if you were curious. it's based on the 2nd generaton mr2, not the newer ones which kind of resemble a boxter, so as a donor it is not that expensive.

hammerhead, i'll agree that a stock fiero is lacking in the "ummph" category with little muscle to speak of. however, with the addition of a v8 archie kit, you could bolt-in a zz4 or an lt-6 pumping out upwards of 400hp and have a monster of a car. as far as the attack goes, the stock accord is also nothing to speak of as far as power, with a generous hp rating of 160. kitkar is right, the attack is similar to the ffr cobra in that it has its own chassis so it only uses the "guts" of the accord. when completed, the attack has a dry weight of around 1800lbs as compared to the 2500lbs of the accord. this means that performance-wise, the attack gets from 0-60 in under six seconds and with some minor bolt-ons like cams, intake or even a turbo; you could turn out over 250hp with the accord 4-cylinder

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P.S. This is to all the guys who don't have any experience in body repair and parts. My brother and I use to rebuild wrecks and we sometimes bought used parts from salvage yards. BEWARE! They will sell you junk, over charge you, and then laugh at you behind your back as your walking out the door-they're slick. I fell for it a few times before I got wise.


i would have to say that isn't entirely true. there are many salvage yards that are very acommodating to what you need and very reasonable about their prices. i agree there are many that try to screw you by charging jacked-up prices for worn parts and some that wont let you near the vehicle to take the part off and end up damaging or ruining it during the removal. there are still others who can become reasonable if you are assertive about what you want and how much you want to pay. you just have to shop around and find a yard that you feel you can trust

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2.2MR2 f355

Netherlands
48 Posts
Posted - February 06 2004 :  09:41:42 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i'm selling my 2200 mr2 '91/f355 berlinetta project. the only problem is, the car is in holland (europe)

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2.2MR2 f355

Netherlands
48 Posts
Posted - February 06 2004 :  09:52:13 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i'm selling my mr2/f355 project. only problem, it's in holland. i'm asking 6k in dollars, 5500 in euro's. needs to be fitted and sprayed, including 17 inch borbet E wheels whitout tyres and the original mr2 wheels inc tyres

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