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JonCalvinMoore

USA
44 Posts
Posted - January 07 2004 :  8:33:09 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have cash and was wondering if anyone was experienced in making a Z4 roadster for me. I was interested in the Z3 for a while, and gave it alot of thought, even bugged the **** out of Mad Mike for a while but I really like the Z4 more and again was wondering if anyone could build a PROFESSIONAL make for me. Serious builders please!

JonCalvinMoore

USA
44 Posts
Posted - January 07 2004 :  8:36:35 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If worse comes to worse, I could always go with Mike, BTW, has anyone ever dealt with him and/or was built a car by Mike? I like his work from his pics, and will def go with him in building a car, I have about 9k to spend.

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meat

USA
992 Posts
Posted - January 07 2004 :  8:49:34 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Mike seems like a pretty good fella.

I have not purchased anything from him yet. However, I am comfortable enough with him - he answered my questions, gave me most of the answers I was looking for, educated me about what HIS kits are and what HE offers (rather than bad-mouthing other products), does know what he's talking about - that I will be purchasing a kit from him here pretty quick.

I know that doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement, but I'm really good at spotting shady dealers. If I'm willing to part with MY money, that means that I'm satisfied that the person is who they say they are, they'll deliver what they say they will when they say they will, and the product will be what it's advertised to be.

Once I get the kit, I'll know better!

Your pal,
Meat.

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JonCalvinMoore

USA
44 Posts
Posted - January 08 2004 :  07:41:39 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks Meat, I was planning on getting a real Z3 for about 10k in Excellent condition and the seller has beyond awesome feedback, 100 percent to be exact. However, the mileage is a bit high. It's a 96 Z3 with 101k, is that a bit high? Or do these cars last longer then 300?

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MurcielagoMan


55 Posts
Posted - January 08 2004 :  2:10:36 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I know a place were you can get a Z3 replica for 11 grand its web address is bodykitz.com

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meat

USA
992 Posts
Posted - January 08 2004 :  6:35:14 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
JonCalvinMoore wrote:
Thanks Meat, I was planning on getting a real Z3 for about 10k in Excellent condition and the seller has beyond awesome feedback, 100 percent to be exact. However, the mileage is a bit high. It's a 96 Z3 with 101k, is that a bit high? Or do these cars last longer then 300?

It's a BMW; it can last as long as your wallet can. BMWs are all well made cars. I remember driving a 1984 318i brand new and thought that it was an underpowered POS that was way too expensive for what it was. Now, 20 years later, I still think it's an underpowered POS that was way too expensive for what it was, but the car is very well engineered and has stood the test of time. I wouldn't buy one, I'm just commenting on the durability of the engineering.

The Z3 is quite a bit newer, and benefits from newer technology, better (if that's possible) workmanship and superior engineering. Also, it's got that whole "real" BMW thing going for it.

The downside is that the car does have high mileage, and it's going to end up costing you more to service and repair it because it's a higher-end specialty performance car. Parts will continue to be expensive.

Now, as far as the Miata goes, I can't say enough about what a great car that is right out of the box. Once again, I drove the Miata for awhile when it first came out. It was horribly underpowered, but it handled like no other car in that price range. It brought the fun back into driving a sports car that the common man could afford. I can only liken it to when the 240Z first hit U.S. shores back in the early seventies. It wasn't a breath of fresh air, it was a gale.

I've driven Miatas since (in fact, I just got rid of the Smurf and my silver one and my black one), and the engineering still holds up. even after 200K, the little cars still feel nice and tight.

Now, about getting a Z3 Miata rebody. I don't think you can go wrong with the car. I think the price is a bit on the high side for a car that you don't know anything about, and you didn't mention what the mileage on the car was, or what year the Miata was. That's pretty important, as the engine was changed to a 1.8 in 1993 (the early cars have a 1.6 that could get a shaft broken if the timing chain is misinstalled). The 1993 and up cars have much better aftermarket support. However, I'm not going to sell the earlier cars short; there's an engine kit that allows you to just about drop in a Ford 302 with a t5 tranny and an 8.8 IRS rearend.

It's all up to you. If the kit is what you want, you should buy it. It's going to remain relatively flat resale-wise, while the Z3 will continue to drop based on blue book value (kit cars are different; they're priced at "what the market will bear" rather than a devaluation schedule).

If you need any more help, just ask.

Your pal,
Meat.

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jami

USA
38 Posts
Posted - January 08 2004 :  6:40:35 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I just start to work in a Z-3 replica on mazda miata, i go to stretch the mazda 7 inches for give it the right size like the original. All the body components are original z-3, that i bought 2 month ago from a scarp yard, the most hardes part to find was the rear panels, but i got it already. Until now im only spent 3000$, and i think still rest to spend 4000$ more. This is mi first kit that i gonna build.

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Jordan TX

USA
85 Posts
Posted - January 08 2004 :  6:56:45 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Good info Meat, my sis was considering a Z3 kit a few months ago.
A 302 in a Miata would be, well, FUN! With a bit of work, itd be ungodly quick, plus its still gonna be pretty light, so handling will still be competent.
The 240Z reference is cool, Ive never thought of it like that. A miata is a good value, lots of fun, and a seemingly good base for modifications.
A S2000 may also, in the future when prices of used examples slide a bit, Id like to see what a Z8 (or whatever the replacement will be at the time) kit on that chassis, or on a Miata.
Another kit Id like to see for the next gen Miata is a way to install the RENESIS engine with a turbo, from what Ive seen its a compact engine and with a turbo it could easily make 310hp, probably much more.

Oh, the possibilities!!


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MADMIKE


140 Posts
Posted - January 09 2004 :  12:31:50 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The miata handles like a go cart,elongating the wheelbase just to make the nose a little longer is crazy,you don't have any idea how you're going to change the handling of the car,the kit from bodykitz
is the old 96 style tilt nose kit,i have a 2003 style kit for sale on this site now,more money but you get what you pay for in ease of assembly,stock opening hood,complete trunklid etc,and looks like a 2003,i've found a great engine swap for a miata is a late model camero
or firebird 3.4 drivetrain,only 50 lbs heavier,so dosen't affect the handling,as for a z-4 replica,it's not worth the development time
because it's a current production model and BMW WILL SHUT YOU DOWN
as soon as you advertise it,i also sell the z-3's installed on a doner
miata unpainted,just drive it home,prep and paint. MIKE

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JonCalvinMoore

USA
44 Posts
Posted - January 11 2004 :  10:29:04 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the Info Meat. However, I'm only looking to spend 9-10k on a miata rebuild, and I want something under 50k in mileage or even smaller if that's possible. Tell me how much you would charge me for everything and what features would be included.

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JonCalvinMoore

USA
44 Posts
Posted - January 11 2004 :  10:30:47 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Also, another IMPORTANT question. On the insurance, what do you say for a Miata Z3 replica? Also, will my wife be able to drive it, shes 22. Will Progessive, in which we are with currently and can change, cover her?

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meat

USA
992 Posts
Posted - January 11 2004 :  11:17:12 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
JonCalvinMoore wrote:
Thanks for the Info Meat. However, I'm only looking to spend 9-10k on a miata rebuild, and I want something under 50k in mileage or even smaller if that's possible. Tell me how much you would charge me for everything and what features would be included.

The guy you want to talk to is MADMIKE. As far as the kits: go for the Ziata kit.

You can probably pick up a Miata fairly inexpensively - depending on year and mileage, of course - and depending on what you want to finally end up with powerplant-wise - you can almost go with just about any year.

If it were me, I'd make sure to look for a used Miata in the $2-3K range that may have dented panels or broken facia - especially on the front end, where the panels are completely replaced. Interior should be in okay condition - remember that you can get nice leather seats for the car for ~$600 (if you do the seats yourself), so looking for a car with cloth seats (faded or not) is a good choice. Also, there were three different packages that you could get with a Miata; base (basic car, duh); A Package (usually consists of power mirrors, power-assisted steering, leather-wrapped steering wheel, aluminum alloy wheels, and headrest speakers); B Package (includes all of A Package plus cruise control, power windows - and headrest speakers (some years had the headrest speakers in the B Package, some in the A Package)). Look for a B package (I'm lazy, I like cruise control, power windows, power mirrors, and a sound system that you can almost hear) and you'll be a happy camper.

So, to recap to this point: if you're going to eventually replace the drivetrain, you can get any year Miata. If you're not, look for a late 1993 or newer. In any case, go for the B Package Miata.

The places to avoid looking for Miatas? On Miata group forums; Miata owners seem to think their cars are worth more there - must be some kind of mob mentality. The best places? Used car lots or online places like www.cars.com or www.autotrader.com. I got the Smurf from a car dealership for $600 because the guy thought the car had a siezed engine, rather than just needing a solenoid. There are bargains out there to be had.

Mike will be able to help you better with this. He seems like a good guy.

More than likely, you'll be into the car for slightly over your budget...but don't be alarmed or surprised; EVERY kit car or hot rod is ALWAYS over budget. It's what we do, and who we are.

As far as insurance goes...I don't know what to tell you there. Technically, you're only getting a Miata rebody - none of the mechanicals are touched - so you should be able to insure it without too much hassle. The only issue is going to be what the replacement/repair cost is going to be for any body damage. I'm sure that Mike can get you a breakdown or a cost for the car. That should make the insurance guys happy. DO NOT refer to the car as a "kit car" when you go to insure it - refer to it as a Miata with a body kit.

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JonCalvinMoore

USA
44 Posts
Posted - January 11 2004 :  2:27:43 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you for enlightening me ALMIGHTY ALL KNOWING Meat! I will continue to do my research.

Mike is offering me this as he recently e-mail me:

"JON, I've got a 95 with 52 0r 54 ,ooo miles on it i just bought,,i haven't had it delivered yet,i would do that car as a ziata for $10,000 if pre sold,otherwise I'll get 12-13,000 for it at Carlisle kit show in may"

I think that's a good deal with all the labor, etc, as well as I need an Automatic for my bad knee. I'll continue to futher do business with Mike, but I have yet to have a response from my last e-mail to him.

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meat

USA
992 Posts
Posted - January 11 2004 :  4:07:17 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
JonCalvinMoore wrote:
Thank you for enlightening me ALMIGHTY ALL KNOWING Meat! I will continue to do my research.

Mike is offering me this as he recently e-mail me:

"JON, I've got a 95 with 52 0r 54 ,ooo miles on it i just bought,,i haven't had it delivered yet,i would do that car as a ziata for $10,000 if pre sold,otherwise I'll get 12-13,000 for it at Carlisle kit show in may"

I think that's a good deal with all the labor, etc, as well as I need an Automatic for my bad knee. I'll continue to futher do business with Mike, but I have yet to have a response from my last e-mail to him.


Not at all a bad deal; the '95 is a good car. It's got the bigger engine, the bigger gas tank, and a bit more bracing than the original. And with the mileage, you're going to get a nice, tight car as well; you're well within the lifespan of the car.

With the automatic you're going to lose a bit of 'oomph' off the line, but the tranny is still nice, and it's a great little car.

Your pal,
Meat.

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MADMIKE


140 Posts
Posted - January 12 2004 :  12:46:35 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A Z-3 converted miata is no different than any miata with custom ground effects or bumpers to insure,most insurance companies will put a declared value policy on the car,to cover any additional costs to repair over stock panels if you have an accident,repairing one is no different than a stock car,you buy what you need,and have a competant body shop fix the car.
MIKE

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skincard


37 Posts
Posted - February 06 2004 :  1:18:43 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am amazed at the knowledge you guys have re: the Mazda Miata Z3 Rebody kit. I just got finished with mine after over a year of neglect due to my profession. The problem now is that I am having trouble finding a company that would insure it. They either need a classic car or something over a $20,000 value, or they simply won't insure it. Building this car under $20,000 is exactly why I did it: having the looks of a BMW, but having cheap maintenance as a Miata. After all my efforts of finishing this work of art, I'm seriously thinking about selling it instead of going through all the hassles of getting it insured before driving it. She's a real beauty: with a BMW Estoril Blue Metallic Color, clear corners and side markers, dual exhaust, third brake light, custom speedster rear deck cover for the top, custom 17 inch wheels that are offset so it could be flush with the body, and even has the rear bumper reflectors. I would hate to let her go. Please help...

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BaldwinMotion

USA
63 Posts
Posted - February 06 2004 :  3:39:14 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i'm no expert on the insurance of kit cars, but i am pretty sure that all you have to do is go to your local state farm, progressive, etc. office and insure it as a Mazda Miata, nothing more nothing less. i would definately get a second opinion though and not take my word for it.

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Nissan_fanatiC


50 Posts
Posted - February 06 2004 :  5:02:27 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
dont put a v8 in your Ziate if u get it put a 20b 3 rotor engine. it would be better than sticking a 8 in there because #1, rotary engined weigh alot less than v8'.
#2 with the engine being smaller, you could mount it farther back to improve handling(it moves the car's center of gravity back a bit)
#3 it would still be a mazda engine, and im sure they have motor mounts made for supporting 20b's in a miata.


only draw back is that rotories use a bit more gas ond oil than the miata's 4, but then again so does an 8.


ima redline inline 4's untill i flat-line

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john


67 Posts
Posted - November 29 2005 :  12:00:40 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
do not purchase anything from madmike. I gave him $5,600 in april of 2004 for a z3 kit installed on a 1995 miata with 56,000 miles. He has stung me along assuring me multiple times that "the car will be finished". He has no intention of doing anything except geting peoples deposit money. I currently have a case with the postal inspector and am starting a civil case with several other people in my same situation. I can provide pictures of the junk that i purchased as well as receipts and money order stubs to prove this. He is a horrible buisiness man so please do not give him any money.
john

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john


67 Posts
Posted - November 29 2005 :  12:01:12 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
do not purchase anything from madmike. I gave him $5,600 in april of 2004 for a z3 kit installed on a 1995 miata with 56,000 miles. He has stung me along assuring me multiple times that "the car will be finished". He has no intention of doing anything except geting peoples deposit money. I currently have a case with the postal inspector and am starting a civil case with several other people in my same situation. I can provide pictures of the junk that i purchased as well as receipts and money order stubs to prove this. He is a horrible buisiness man so please do not give him any money.
john

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kitcarguy15


199 Posts
Posted - December 01 2005 :  10:07:35 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:

do not purchase anything from madmike. I gave him $5,600 in april of 2004 for a z3 kit installed on a 1995 miata with 56,000 miles. He has stung me along assuring me multiple times that "the car will be finished". He has no intention of doing anything except geting peoples deposit money. I currently have a case with the postal inspector and am starting a civil case with several other people in my same situation. I can provide pictures of the junk that i purchased as well as receipts and money order stubs to prove this. He is a horrible buisiness man so please do not give him any money.
john




didnt you know that you were getting a used engine? did you ask him about it before buying the car? you must ask questions before buying it.dont just let him make a car then buy it.

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john


67 Posts
Posted - December 02 2005 :  03:02:06 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
yes, i knew it was a used engine. Mike told me the car had 54,000 original miles (how i justified paying 2,600 dollars for a salvage title miata). This was the first of many lies because the car has a faulty odometer reading with 9,999,999 miles on the title. This isnt remotely the issue. I paid mike in 2 separate transactions, 3000 for the kit, and 2,600 for the car IN APRIL OF 2004. He assured me that if i give him all the money up front he will mount it to the car for free. My intentions were to put the kit on the car myself (because of the it's "straightforward assembly") but Mikes new option seemed fair at the time. I have made several expensive trips to Massachusetts to see the car. He has missed appointments, showing no respect for me what so ever. Mike has hardly even started working on the car, and the KIT IS NOT EVEN FINISHED YET after all this time. I am very worried that other people unaware of my situation will be duped into paying him large sums of money for the same aggravation. That is all this transaction has been just a giant headache with nothing to show for it except lack of sleep.

So to answer your question:

yes, i asked him countless questions before purchasing this mess, they were just answered with lies. Again, i strongly urge anyone who is considering purchasing from madmike to find a legitimate vender, not a criminal.

for any questions regarding transaction proof, lies about condition of the car, or phony completion dates please contact me.

john


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kitcarguy15


199 Posts
Posted - December 03 2005 :  11:44:42 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
yeah, alot of these builders lie , just to get you to buy from them. its a shame to have so many dihonest builders and sellers.

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MADMIKE


140 Posts
Posted - December 06 2005 :  12:05:53 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I never saw the Title to the miata bought for John until He insisted
I had the yard it came from fill it out in his name and send it to him which I did,It was never Titled in my name,and the yard had the paperwork,I went by the odometer reading of the car itself,it can't have too much more milage,as the previous owner who crashed it diden't own it that long,I told John not to have the paperwork filled out until he was satisfied with the car,HE CREATED HIS OWN PROBLEM BY
INSISTING THE TITLE BE FILLED OUT IN HIS NAME BEFORE HE WAS SATISFIED WITH THE CAR,now it has to be completed fully to get his money back,or there is a possibility he can get a new salvage title in his name from Mass,without the repaired re-inspection,and I would be able to get his money back for the car,but it can't be done without him titling the car as the paperwork is in his name!!
Mike

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john


67 Posts
Posted - June 27 2006 :  12:12:59 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Both madmike and my car have officially disapeared.

Here is that z4 link you were looking for a while back

http://www.usedfieroparts.com/bodyk/Z4/

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kitcarguy


535 Posts
Posted - June 27 2006 :  07:21:54 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Another scumbag gives the industry a bad name

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MaTT869911

USA
243 Posts
Posted - June 29 2006 :  11:31:51 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
if u want a Z3, i say get the real thing, more then likley its going to be a weekend fun car and not a daily driver so the fact its a bmw shouldnt weight you down... and like he said... its a bmw... it will last as long as ur wallet can.. very very true.. just get the real one.. the are 10-15k

Matt

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