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bowserbub
89 Posts |
Posted - December 17 2003 : 01:03:54 AM
I have seen the Carrera GT replicas around, a gold one on ebay, and a a few posted on the Home-Page of Kitcars.com. Unfortunately i cant say im happy with the craftsmanship. I dont know anything about fabrication or molding or whatever. But i really do love that $440,000.00 car. Does anyone concur? Does anyone know if or when "they" will make it more realistic and too the Exact specs?
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360Wanna_be
375 Posts |
Posted - December 17 2003 : 08:46:45 AM
the problem with investing money on making "exact" specs (other than being sued) is that everyone says make an exact copy and I will buy one. When the changes are made... not everyone steps up to the plate. The car it self is a beautiful car. Chances are you will need to make the modifications on your own to get the gt to "Exact" specs.www.powerhousesports.net |
bowserbub
89 Posts |
Posted - December 17 2003 : 09:48:42 AM
I totally agree, no one steps up, probably because no one wants to buy a replica for that much. I think theres too much to modify, the entire thing needs to be redone. With that said. How expensive is it to get shaped aluminum or carbon-fiber body panels? Are there many places that can do that? Would i provide them with AUTOCAD data and then their machines do the rest, or what?And another thing, Mr. Powerhouse Sports, (joking) Where is the 360 coupe on the vette chassis, ive been patiently waiting, haha. But for real, hows it coming? Any status updates you can share? thanx BB 
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meat
USA
992 Posts |
Posted - December 17 2003 : 3:51:49 PM
quote: bowserbub wrote: I totally agree, no one steps up, probably because no one wants to buy a replica for that much. I think theres too much to modify, the entire thing needs to be redone. With that said. How expensive is it to get shaped aluminum or carbon-fiber body panels? Are there many places that can do that? Would i provide them with AUTOCAD data and then their machines do the rest, or what?And another thing, Mr. Powerhouse Sports, (joking) Where is the 360 coupe on the vette chassis, ive been patiently waiting, haha. But for real, hows it coming? Any status updates you can share?
Well, if you're not happy with the craftsmanship (which seems an odd thing to say if you've only seen pictures of the car), then don't buy the car. If you think you can do better, make your own replica. If you'd like to make aluminum panels or even carbon fiber ones, feel free to step up; you're only looking at $100K or so for aluminum, probably a bit less for carbon fiber. Gotta loooooove them armchair replica "craftsmen" ... Your pal, Meat. 
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360Wanna_be
375 Posts |
Posted - December 17 2003 : 6:07:21 PM
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And another thing, Mr. Powerhouse Sports, (joking) Where is the 360 coupe on the vette chassis, ive been patiently waiting, haha. But for real, hows it coming? Any status updates you can share?thanx BB
http://www.kitcars.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1264 still at a standstill locating high quality OEM panels. www.powerhousesports.net |
bowserbub
89 Posts |
Posted - December 17 2003 : 6:31:40 PM
"Well, if you're not happy with the craftsmanship (which seems an odd thing to say if you've only seen pictures of the car), then don't buy the car. If you think you can do better, make your own replica."-I dont think i can do better. I dont know anything about making kitcars, or anything about their exactness. I never said i did. I was only commenting on what i thought about it and if anyone thought the same. "If you'd like to make aluminum panels or even carbon fiber ones, feel free to step up; you're only looking at $100K or so for aluminum, probably a bit less for carbon fiber."
-I was just asking about them i never said i'd like to make them. especially since i didnt know the cost, but thanks to your PMS-like reply, now i know. "Gotta loooooove them armchair replica "craftsmen" ..." -Im not a craftsman, i didnt claim to be one nor do i yearn to be one. "Your pal, Meat."
-you are definately not my "pal". ******************************************************************** 360Wanna_be, Thanks for the update.. BB

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meat
USA
992 Posts |
Posted - December 17 2003 : 9:57:22 PM
quote: bowserbub wrote: -you are definately not my "pal".
Oh, absolutely I am your pal. Perhaps you're not my pal. Maybe that's what you meant to say. I can understand how you could get confused, what with the extensive kit car design and craftsmanship knowledge you've got to store in your head. Which leads me to another question that scholars have been asking for centuries: how many angels can dance on your head? ...Take your time with the answer to that one, I'm sure that eventually it will come to you. Your pal, Meat. 
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moab2
90 Posts |
Posted - December 17 2003 : 10:13:45 PM
moderator\Mod"er*a`tor\, n. [L.: cf. F. mod['e]rateur.] 1. One who, or that which, moderates, restrains, or pacifies. --Sir W. Raleigh. Angling was . . . a moderator of passions. --Walton. 2. The officer who presides over an assembly to preserve order , propose questions, regulate the proceedings, and declare the votes.
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bowserbub
89 Posts |
Posted - December 18 2003 : 09:55:27 AM
I take it back, You are not PMS-like meat. But its really too bad that your answers are so agressive and confrontational; I would have liked to learn more from you. I'd like to calmly and neutrally ask you a couple questions. Why would i ask any question in the forum, concerning anything to do with kitcars, if the answer (from you) is to be laced with cynicism and cruelty? How does that help the learning process? Indeed you were not born with all the information in your head. I dont want any animosity with you I just want to learn, and i'll make sure to never ask any question in the forum and doesnt meat your approval. BB

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CARRERA GT
47 Posts |
Posted - December 18 2003 : 10:30:57 AM
I must admit that I do find meat quite offensive.Bowserbub was merely stating his opinion of the GT replicas out there. Isn't that what a forum is all about? Bowserbub: I almost bought a Carrera GT replica. I had given a deposit for the vehicle in Jan 2003. The car was promised in May, it wasn't ready 'till the end of Sept. Thank GOD I flew to Ca to view the vehicle. The outside was beautiful, however the interior SUCKED. They lacke power windows which were promised to me. The old style window handles were attached yet cut so that you wouldn't see the nub (handle). The doors would not open sufficiently w/out scraping. The radio was on the passenger side, w/ no antenna. You could only get the most local of stations (it had no antenna). If you wanted to put gas in the car you had to open the hood. The exhaust was standard fiero after i was promised a "porsche" sounding exhaust. The stereo speakers were behind the seats. It muffled the sound. I expected a gated shifter, yet it wasn't present.... Advice: Never buy a vehicle that you haven't viewed ( in particular a kit car). Had I trusted the individual, I would have spent approx $35,000 on a vehicle that I would have been miserable with. Worst part was that it took 15-16 weeks to get my money back after i told him I didn't want the vehicle (because he didn't live up to his end). I be glad to speak to individuals personally about my experience. Thanks, C GT 
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n/a
126 Posts |
Posted - December 18 2003 : 1:49:10 PM
Thats the only reason I wont buy a car until its done. By saying that i mean its a Turn Key.

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meat
USA
992 Posts |
Posted - December 18 2003 : 3:13:02 PM
quote: moab2 wrote: moderator\Mod"er*a`tor\, n. [L.: cf. F. mod['e]rateur.] 1. One who, or that which, moderates, restrains, or pacifies. --Sir W. Raleigh. Angling was . . . a moderator of passions. --Walton. 2. The officer who presides over an assembly to preserve order , propose questions, regulate the proceedings, and declare the votes.
dull*ard n. A person regarded as mentally dull; a dolt. ig*no*rant adj 1. Lacking education or knowledge. 2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake. 3. Unaware or uninformed. Your pal, Meat. 
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meat
USA
992 Posts |
Posted - December 18 2003 : 3:33:11 PM
quote: bowserbub wrote: I take it back, You are not PMS-like meat. But its really too bad that your answers are so agressive and confrontational; I would have liked to learn more from you. I'd like to calmly and neutrally ask you a couple questions. Why would i ask any question in the forum, concerning anything to do with kitcars, if the answer (from you) is to be laced with cynicism and cruelty? How does that help the learning process? Indeed you were not born with all the information in your head. I dont want any animosity with you I just want to learn, and i'll make sure to never ask any question in the forum and doesnt meat your approval. BB
It really is too bad that your very first post here was an attack on someone who had not only created something beautiful, but who had created something that you admitted you couldn't do in the first place. Aggressive and confrontational? Gee, you come here and attack someone - for their craftsmanship - and you describe me as aggressive and confrontational. Yeah. Sure. To answer your "calmly and neutrally" asked questions: Your very first question on this forum wasn't about kit cars, and I answered it in the tone and spirit in which it was asked. If you perceived that the answer was laced with "cynicism and cruelty," then perhaps you need to rethink your "question" before your post it. My answer helps with the learning process by letting you know that I found your assault on others to be neither constructive nor a request for information and that I found your post to be ignorant. Your question was if anyone concurred with your ill-informed opinion. I clearly indicated through my post that I did not. I was not born with all of the information I have at my disposal. But the reason I have all of the information that I have is because I listened to others, did the research, and didn't approach a topic by insulting first and asking questions later. Your pal, Meat.

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moab2
90 Posts |
Posted - December 18 2003 : 5:27:22 PM
quote: Meat wrote dull*ard n. A person regarded as mentally dull; a dolt. ig*no*rant adj 1. Lacking education or knowledge. 2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake. 3. Unaware or uninformed.Your pal, Meat.
incompetent adj 1: not qualified or suited for a purpose; "an incompetent secret service"; "the filming was hopeless incompetent" [ant: competent] 2: showing lack of skill or aptitude; "a bungling workman"; "did a clumsy job"; "his fumbling attempt to put up a shelf" [syn: bungling, clumsy, fumbling] 3: not doing a good job; "incompetent at chess" [syn: unskilled] 4: not meeting requirements; "unequal to the demands put upon him" [syn: incapable, unequal to(p)] n : someone who is not competent to take effective action [syn: incompetent person] meat
n 1: the flesh of animals (including fishes and birds and snails) used as food 2: the inner and usually edible part of a seed or grain or nut or fruit stone A nut...hmmm...explains a lot.

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bowserbub
89 Posts |
Posted - December 19 2003 : 12:13:01 AM
Carrere GT, Man, thank goodness you got your money back, Ive read some posts about some major flakes out there in this industry, as there are in all. Are their any companies thaty specialize in interiors? Fully custom, exact, replica interiors? ||Leo||, Turnkey is the way to go i totally agree but then even then carrera-gt almost got bo-jangled on a supposed turnkey. so basically we all come to the same conclusion, put the least amount down and go check it out in person. 360Wana_be, As per the 360 turnkey, what engine will be mounted? If i were to want another engine, similar displacement, and i could have it shipped to your fab. shop, could that engine be swapped for the planned one? And i remember reading a post where you stated that the only thing that the buyer can select is the colour; interior colour as well? Lastly and most unimportantly... Meat,
Look man, we all understand that you know alot. Dont think that by me saying::: "Unfortunately i cant say im happy with the craftsmanship. I dont know anything about fabrication or molding or whatever." ::: that im attacking anyone. I clearly state that i dont know anything about the fab. Implying that its just a thought, And by a potential-buyer's word, carrera-gt..if i may, the craftsmanship wasn't too good. Here, ill put it this way, I didnt Intentionally mean to insult the builder's craftsmanship. This is where the fork lies. Where i didn't intend too insult the builder, you most certainly did intend to insult me, over and over and over in every post on this topic. I want this babble to end. If you'd like to make Any comment concerning anything please do, just curb the "Dictionary-slamming" of my present intelect. I never doubted yours. BB

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meat
USA
992 Posts |
Posted - December 19 2003 : 08:33:25 AM
quote: moab2 wrote: incompetentadj 1: not qualified or suited for a purpose; "an incompetent secret service"; "the filming was hopeless incompetent" [ant: competent] 2: showing lack of skill or aptitude; "a bungling workman"; "did a clumsy job"; "his fumbling attempt to put up a shelf" [syn: bungling, clumsy, fumbling] 3: not doing a good job; "incompetent at chess" [syn: unskilled] 4: not meeting requirements; "unequal to the demands put upon him" [syn: incapable, unequal to(p)] n : someone who is not competent to take effective action [syn: incompetent person] meat
n 1: the flesh of animals (including fishes and birds and snails) used as food 2: the inner and usually edible part of a seed or grain or nut or fruit stone A nut...hmmm...explains a lot.
Like a poor marksman, you keep on missing the target. So I am forced to reiterate: dull*ard n. A person regarded as mentally dull; a dolt. ig*no*rant adj 1. Lacking education or knowledge. 2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake. 3. Unaware or uninformed. Maybe if you knew what you were talking about...naah, that's too much to ask from someone as bitter and angry as you are... Your pal, Meat. 
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meat
USA
992 Posts |
Posted - December 19 2003 : 08:47:23 AM
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Carrere GT, Man, thank goodness you got your money back, Ive read some posts about some major flakes out there in this industry, as there are in all. Are their any companies thaty specialize in interiors? Fully custom, exact, replica interiors? ||Leo||, Turnkey is the way to go i totally agree but then even then carrera-gt almost got bo-jangled on a supposed turnkey. so basically we all come to the same conclusion, put the least amount down and go check it out in person. 360Wana_be, As per the 360 turnkey, what engine will be mounted? If i were to want another engine, similar displacement, and i could have it shipped to your fab. shop, could that engine be swapped for the planned one? And i remember reading a post where you stated that the only thing that the buyer can select is the colour; interior colour as well? Lastly and most unimportantly... Meat,
Look man, we all understand that you know alot. Dont think that by me saying::: "Unfortunately i cant say im happy with the craftsmanship. I dont know anything about fabrication or molding or whatever." ::: that im attacking anyone. I clearly state that i dont know anything about the fab. Implying that its just a thought, And by a potential-buyer's word, carrera-gt..if i may, the craftsmanship wasn't too good. Here, ill put it this way, I didnt Intentionally mean to insult the builder's craftsmanship. This is where the fork lies. Where i didn't intend too insult the builder, you most certainly did intend to insult me, over and over and over in every post on this topic. I want this babble to end. If you'd like to make Any comment concerning anything please do, just curb the "Dictionary-slamming" of my present intelect. I never doubted yours.
You titled the thread "Porsche Carrera GT Replica needs improvement." You absolutely intended from the moment you hit the New Topic button to attack the person who designed the kit - a kit that was designed from photographs of the original car, not from a splash off a real car. Your intent was quite clear. You want this to end? Well, consider it ended...with this caveat: I'd just as vigorously defend you against someone who slams you for no reason as I will defend Steve when you attack his product. As to doubting my intellect...I don't care whether you do or whether you don't; it doesn't matter to me one way or the other. If I help you, that's great. If I don't that's great. In either case, if you don't end up an angry, bitter little moab2 you'll be doing much better than he is. Your pal, Meat.

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bowserbub
89 Posts |
Posted - December 19 2003 : 10:15:11 AM
Meat, Once i clarified in the message that i didnt know anything about the business i thought it was understood that i wasnt intending to offend anyone, i was just professing my infant opinion. When a newbie in any industry, ie me in the kitcar ind., says "....needs improvement" I wouldnt take it so seriously since the person probably doesnt know what their talking about. If you had asked me why i was attacking someone, i would have replied apologetically. But instead you started to slam me, which wasnt the best approach, IMO. In any case i hoped to have cleared my name from any attack mode i was in earlier in the topic. If there is a way to change the topic i would, just let me know how. again, im new. I dont know if you and moab2 go farther back than this topic and i dont want to get involved, but, lets just shift the focus on kitcars. Can you make molds, impressions, of fiber-glass parts? So if someone sells a turnkey, cant someone dissassemble the turnkey and mold everything all the way to the interior? And then sell it as a kit and make their business off of someone else's hard work? any comments or opinoins? BB 
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kitkar
126 Posts |
Posted - December 19 2003 : 10:52:14 AM
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Can you make molds, impressions, of fiber-glass parts? So if someone sells a turnkey, cant someone dissassemble the turnkey and mold everything all the way to the interior? And then sell it as a kit and make their business off of someone else's hard work? any comments or opinoins? BB
Yes you can, and that happens all too often in this industry. That is a big reason why there aren't a lot of new kits out there. I think the GT replica doesn't look too bad at all. I saw it at the Knotts show and recently saw an unfinished kit. I like it. Rick Lord http://www.kingdomcustoms.com |
meat
USA
992 Posts |
Posted - December 19 2003 : 1:07:54 PM
quote: bowserbub wrote: Meat, Once i clarified in the message that i didnt know anything about the business i thought it was understood that i wasnt intending to offend anyone, i was just professing my infant opinion. When a newbie in any industry, ie me in the kitcar ind., says "....needs improvement" I wouldnt take it so seriously since the person probably doesnt know what their talking about. If you had asked me why i was attacking someone, i would have replied apologetically. But instead you started to slam me, which wasnt the best approach, IMO. In any case i hoped to have cleared my name from any attack mode i was in earlier in the topic. If there is a way to change the topic i would, just let me know how. again, im new. I dont know if you and moab2 go farther back than this topic and i dont want to get involved, but, lets just shift the focus on kitcars. Can you make molds, impressions, of fiber-glass parts? So if someone sells a turnkey, cant someone dissassemble the turnkey and mold everything all the way to the interior? And then sell it as a kit and make their business off of someone else's hard work? any comments or opinoins? BB
If you indeed wanted it to end, then why do you continue posting about it? Geez. Get a clue. Your pal, Meat. 
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bowserbub
89 Posts |
Posted - December 19 2003 : 3:46:39 PM
kitkar, why does the fact that people mold from fiberglass pieces hinder the development of new kits? I can understand why it would make a certain kitcar cheaper and make the original developer/modler angry. I havent seen the carrera gt in person. But from what carrerr-gt said about it he didnt think it was worth his money. Maybe the one you saw was well constructed. Im sure its not the kit developers fault alone, the assembler is also responsible for their craftsmanship. With that said, Meat has informed me that the Carrera GT kit was spawned from photos. That explains a lot. I think the car looks great, I just think it could be better refined; in the small ways. I guess it will be years before someone makes it indistinguishable from the real one. Arent their some people that make the diablo nearly exact? how long has the diablo kit been out in circulation? Cheers, BB

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