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Dreamvillian
42 Posts |
 Posted - October 14 2003 : 1:08:18 PM
First off i think using a fierro engine/tranny is dumb the're weak. I was wondering If 4x4 truck transmission/engine would be strong/light enough with the rear drive removed and the rest reversed for "rear wheel" drive. Many large truck engines are good for 400+ hp easy and you would have the right engine transmission placement. it's just and idea. i was also considering the many front wheel drive transmissions out there. the only thing with those are. i don't know of any that could be mated to a V8 motor I am looking for a mr setup with a huge motor without spending loads of money. i know it can proubly be done.
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kitkar
126 Posts |
Posted - October 14 2003 : 1:47:23 PM
Fiero transmissions really aren't as weak as everyone seems to think.
The 4T60 and 4T60E trannys would mate up to a V8 with an adapter.Rick Lord
http://www.kingdomcustoms.com |
swoodard23
204 Posts |
Posted - October 14 2003 : 2:11:43 PM
I don't believe it is possible for the truck transmissions to be "reversed" like a old vw transmission. That would mean you would only have one forward gear not to mention your steering would be in the back. There are many powerful swaps for fieros but if you really want a thrill ride I saw a page where a guy welded the front end of a 70'cadillac eldorado to the front half of a vw beetle chassis. Ended up being a 2500lb, 385hp, 500cubic inch monster. Probably not safe but interesting.
Later,
Scott
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meat
USA
992 Posts |
Posted - October 14 2003 : 4:29:48 PM
Yeah...you need a transaxle, not a transmission.Of course, there's always the Glass Station. They put Chevy V8s in custom chassis with custom bodies one them. It's certainly one way of getting attention. 
Of course, going to all that trouble and having a car that looks like a chopped Bug...well, I'm not all that convinced that that's what I would be looking for. Your pal,
Meat.
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Dreamvillian
42 Posts |
Posted - October 15 2003 : 09:56:00 AM
i should have been more specific. i plan to build or find a space frame chasis to mount my diablo body to and I don't want the car to be underpowered.
im' sure if I flipped the transaxle of the truck it would work in revers right?
vw transmissions don't need to be reversed do they? i mean the orginal car is already rear-engined.
How expensive is a used porshe tranny? I heard they would work good. but i imagine the're pretty hard to find.
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Bow
USA
93 Posts |
Posted - October 15 2003 : 10:12:49 AM
If you look on the Net...Porsche Transaxles are not cheap...You may be able to get away with a VW bus transaxle.
By "Reversing, do you mean "Flipped"  A Bug's engine is behind the transaxle, you want the engine in front of the transaxle and the engine longitudinal... correct? If want some ideas of what can be done with a VW transaxle, check out: www.kennedyeng.com" target="_blank">http://www.kennedyeng.com Besides...with a truck axle type setup, you would be able to pull stumps out, but your top end would suck do to the gearing... Bow Going retro with my '91 Nissan 240SX |
Dreamvillian
42 Posts |
Posted - October 15 2003 : 10:32:24 AM
bow you make a good point. i think a front wheel drive transaxle would work if i just flipped the ring gear right? That's pretty much what they did with the mr2 its got the same engine as the corrola. How many powerfull front wheel drive car are there, that have manual transmissions?
here's and idea. Use the Grand prix, bonivile, or grand am transaxle, then flip the ring gear. If the stock engine's lame swap it for a big block 350+, has anyone tried that? im sure there's a good reason not to (since i haven't heard any one mention it ever). The Grand prix is a heavyer sporty car i think the transmission may hold up.
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swoodard23
204 Posts |
Posted - October 15 2003 : 11:31:17 AM
They don't flip the ring gear in MR2's. The engine and transaxle are in the same configuration as in the front wheel drives, they are just behind the passanger compartment insead of in front. On most cars you cannot "flip" the ring gear. The exception is most old porsche and vw transaxles. I also think you are confusing mid and rear engines. They are different in whether the engine is in front of or behind the transmission behind the passanger compartment. You also need to understand that any engine won't automatically bolt up to any other type of tranny. Some need adapter plates and other modifications to work. You also have to consider electronics if using fuel injected engine which can become very expensive to make compatible. As said before, why not just put a v8 in a fiero. V8archie makes the adapter and suppossedly has such good instructions and support that someone not too experienced can do it although I think it would take more skill then I currently have.
Later,
Scott
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Bow
USA
93 Posts |
Posted - October 15 2003 : 12:32:13 PM
quote:
bow you make a good point. i think a front wheel drive transaxle would work if i just flipped the ring gear right? That's pretty much what they did with the mr2 its got the same engine as the corrola. How many powerfull front wheel drive car are there, that have manual transmissions?
here's and idea. Use the Grand prix, bonivile, or grand am transaxle, then flip the ring gear. If the stock engine's lame swap it for a big block 350+, has anyone tried that? im sure there's a good reason not to (since i haven't heard any one mention it ever). The Grand prix is a heavyer sporty car i think the transmission may hold up.
If you want a light weight, Transverse mounted screaming V6...
Go get a Ford Taurus SHO motor that was build by Yamaha Marine...
The 3.2 liter engine's torque peak is 215 lb-ft @ 4000 RPM, and the power peak is 220 hp @ 6000 RPM.
It is a 5 speed tranny too...
Bow
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kitkar
126 Posts |
Posted - October 15 2003 : 1:02:37 PM
Most guys using a tubular frame for a Diablo build will mount the engine longitudinally and use a Porsche (big money) or an Audi (cheap) 5000 trans. There are adapters available to mate them to small block Chevys. They must be available for Fords too, the GT-40 guys use the same transmissions.Rick Lord
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meat
USA
992 Posts |
Posted - October 15 2003 : 1:55:51 PM
quote:
kitkar wrote:
Most guys using a tubular frame for a Diablo build will mount the engine longitudinally and use a Porsche (big money) or an Audi (cheap) 5000 trans. There are adapters available to mate them to small block Chevys. They must be available for Fords too, the GT-40 guys use the same transmissions.
Yep, there is indeed an adapter for the Ford motor, and yes, the MR2 is just and engine moved further back. Your pal,
Meat.
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Dreamvillian
42 Posts |
Posted - October 17 2003 : 4:58:54 PM
What kinda engine does the new masarati have is it longitudily mounted? I'll prolly just design my own car, something like what they did with "The Attack". I know designing the frame is hard because ussually only engineers and race car builders do it. but i got no problem with welding. Same goes with the body it will take some thought to make something that looks and preforms good. the attack is made with an acord donor. i want to make my car with a V6 or better donor, I think the toyota camry, mitsubishi gto/3000gt, mercury Cougar or something like that would be good. It cuts cost and complexity to use the same engine transaxle out of one donor (duhh) But also i don't think there are many transaxles you could just mate a V6 or V8 to. i'd like a manual transmission but it seems like the bigger the car the harder it is to find'em. a frwd lincoln or ford V6+ would be Awsome! but almost all are automatics. There are alot of large disp. front wheel drive vans out there but all are automatics. Has any one else been down this path?
Trying to build a "super car" for under 10 grand.
Got any suggestions for the drive trian?
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swoodard23
204 Posts |
Posted - October 17 2003 : 5:59:28 PM
Supercar for under 10K huh? My suggestion would be to buy an fiberfab avenger off of ebay. They are based on a vw beetle. Then go buy a 2.3L turbo ford engine and buy a transaxle adapter from Kennedy Engineering. You will end up with a 1600lb car with about 200 hp and easily modifiable. Get yourself some good brakes and you are set. Best part is you still could have 5K for paint and wheels! However, unless you are extremely talented you will not be able to design a custom chassis and suspension, body, and install an engine for under 10K. But I wish the best of luck to you, whatever you decide.
Scott
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swoodard23
204 Posts |
Posted - October 17 2003 : 6:00:33 PM
Supercar for under 10K huh? My suggestion would be to buy an fiberfab avenger off of ebay. They are based on a vw beetle. Then go buy a 2.3L turbo ford engine and buy a transaxle adapter from Kennedy Engineering. You will end up with a 1600lb car with about 200 hp and easily modifiable. Get yourself some good brakes and you are set. Best part is you still could have 5K for paint and wheels! However, unless you are extremely talented you will not be able to design a custom chassis and suspension, body, and install an engine for under 10K. But I wish the best of luck to you, whatever you decide. There is plenty of room on this board for dreamers, afterall, I'm one.
Later
Scott
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Dreamvillian
42 Posts |
Posted - October 20 2003 : 4:06:37 PM
I still don't have a good idea of which car to use as my donor. is the grand am/prix V6 any good? the're about the right size for my project. I think the cougar may work to if i can find one with a stick.
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mr.nick
37 Posts |
Posted - January 22 2005 : 7:46:25 PM
I'll teel you what guys, use an Olds Aurora to a audi 5000 or for the six speed get a manual Acura Legend 91-96. The latter has no modification and a six-speed available.
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ducattiman
Netherlands
87 Posts |
Posted - January 23 2005 : 05:13:38 AM
ok there is alot of miss info here,,First thing to do is find the chassis u want and go from there,,there is no need to get a V12 mated to a porsche transaxle and then find out it wont fit in.. Second thing ,when u have the right chassis then the sky is the limits..no need to pick a engine if there is no aftermarket performance parts for it... Fiero transaxles r garbage the Th125c 3 speed is just that nasty,,now alot of people r upgrading to the 4t60 and 4t65E,those tranaxles can hold monster power,but those r transversed,, Now if u want to go long,,there is porsche,audi,some vw,and some others,those r manual trans,,now if u want to go auto ,,chrysler and caddy have some good transaxle to make it long,,,
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airboatred5
USA
47 Posts |
Posted - February 03 2005 : 05:58:12 AM
TRY USING A CORVAIR TRANSMIKE |
EMIR_RC
Argentina
68 Posts |
Posted - February 04 2005 : 10:52:27 AM
Here in Argentina we are trying to do a Diablo look a like with 6000 UD$.
We are in the body phase, building it from scratch. Our Idea is build a custom chassis with a Renault transaxle and a chevy engine.If you dont want to spend a lot of money you will have to do everything.
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EMIR_RC
Argentina
68 Posts |
Posted - February 04 2005 : 10:53:57 AM
Here in Argentina we are trying to do a Diablo look a like with 6000 UD$.
We are in the body phase, building it from scratch. Our Idea is build a custom chassis with a Renault transaxle and a chevy engine.If you dont want to spend a lot of money you will have to do everything. cheers. www.sherklein.com.ar
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allanbach
Colombia
44 Posts |
Posted - February 04 2005 : 1:11:41 PM
Hello,
puntual question....to the $6.000 Lambo look a like
La caja de cambios de Renault es del R21?, me imagino que de adelante hacia atras va el motor Chevi (cual y orginalmente de que auto?), luego la trasmision, que tipo de extension se puede hacer para que el mando de cambios que esta al final del carro llegue al conductor, o como se planea la posicion del motor/transmision, gracias.Im just asking to the Friend from Argentina how he is going to fit the engine with the renault trans... AlLAN B.
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EMIR_RC
Argentina
68 Posts |
Posted - February 05 2005 : 7:23:59 PM
Hola, mira, es asi la cosa. Yo tambien me revente la cabeza pensando en como hacer con la la palanca de cambios. Las transmisiones renault se manejan mediante cables, o sea q le podes adaptar la palanca de cambios donde queres siempre y cuando el cable tenga la longitud necesaria. La posicion del motor y de la transmision es la misma q si estubiera en el tren delantero, eso como q trasladas todo para atras, entonces el motor te queda entre el eje trasero y el habitaculo. Aca en la argentina con 6000 dolares se pueden conseguir muchas cosas usadas o de autos chocados. Pensamos usar el motor chevy 6 cilindros en linea q tienen los super sport de los 70 q justamente tengo uno. Sinceramente no se bien como se adaptan los motores a las transmisiones, pero veo q todo el mundo en los kitcars lo hacen asi q no debe ser imposible. En caso q lo sea usaremos un motor renault tb.
Lo mas importante es q la transmision de los renault ultimamente se manejan con cables y sino es facil adaptarla.Espero haberte ayudado. Saludos.
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Bruce LeVeck
USA
94 Posts |
Posted - February 10 2005 : 3:33:26 PM
Hey Man: What did he just say??
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EMIR_RC
Argentina
68 Posts |
Posted - February 10 2005 : 9:24:44 PM
I said that i am going to use a renault transaxle with a chevy or renault engine.www.sherklein.com.ar
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Ideas for Mid-engine rear drive setup
