I dont agree with your tactic here, like I said earlier it is childish for you to antagonize someone in order to get a rise out of them.

I cant blame Shaddoe for his defensive attitude. I dont think his discourse with you is necessarily the way he would deal with a customer problem. YOU ARE NOT A CUSTOMER !! You are acting like an antagonistic blowhard questioning his business practices. You still havent offered any info or links to any bad business practices.

The fact that you accused me of being someone else without checking it out shows a lack of professionalism on your part. Add to that the attack on Shaddoes integrity without backing it up with evidence is really unfair. By involving yourself in this game in order to add a little "meat" to your article shows a complete lack of integrity.

The only thing I see wrong in the responses from shaddoe might be some of the language he used, but it isn't any worse than what I hear standing in line at Wal-Mart. It isn't a problem though, I just wont bring my kids to tour his shop (he probably wouldn't want them running around anyway). But then again perhaps it was your tone that drove him to anger.

To compare this thread to his business practices and ability to serve his customers is totally unreasonable. I dont know Shaddoe but I will. I will research him thuroughly before doing business with him of course, but he is definatly on the short list. I have read his input and build solutions on other forums that have helped people he will never profit from. That tells me that he loves his work and is not looking to rip people off. Perhaps if you had posed a question on how to hang a door or mount an engine or some thing you would have seen another side to him. The fact that he takes time to respond instead of hiding from issues is a compliment to him. If the time he spent responding slows his progress then that something he will have to deal with. He doesn't work for you so I don't understand why you are questioning his use of time today. To predict that his time spent responding to this thread will in some way effect the quality of his work shows your lack of understanding, what are you, a psycic?

I may not have all the facts but I definatly have enough information to determine that you are in deed a first class jerk. Just because you have some common sense dosen't exempt you from decency. Get over yourself. You have spoiled your wisdom with this childish game. My opnion that you are a moron is hereby reinstated for the fact that you have diluted the wisdom you were trying to impart with this waste of time you call an exercise.

SCOTT

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forty wrote:
O.K Meat, enough already. I have looked around at some websites and other forums and Shaddoe appears to be legit. His cars look to be of excellent quality.

I dont agree with your tactic here, like I said earlier it is childish for you to antagonize someone in order to get a rise out of them.

I cant blame Shaddoe for his defensive attitude. I dont think his discourse with you is necessarily the way he would deal with a customer problem. YOU ARE NOT A CUSTOMER !! You are acting like an antagonistic blowhard questioning his business practices. You still havent offered any info or links to any bad business practices.

The fact that you accused me of being someone else without checking it out shows a lack of professionalism on your part. Add to that the attack on Shaddoes integrity without backing it up with evidence is really unfair. By involving yourself in this game in order to add a little "meat" to your article shows a complete lack of integrity.

The only thing I see wrong in the responses from shaddoe might be some of the language he used, but it isn't any worse than what I hear standing in line at Wal-Mart. It isn't a problem though, I just wont bring my kids to tour his shop (he probably wouldn't want them running around anyway). But then again perhaps it was your tone that drove him to anger.

To compare this thread to his business practices and ability to serve his customers is totally unreasonable. I dont know Shaddoe but I will. I will research him thuroughly before doing business with him of course, but he is definatly on the short list. I have read his input and build solutions on other forums that have helped people he will never profit from. That tells me that he loves his work and is not looking to rip people off. Perhaps if you had posed a question on how to hang a door or mount an engine or some thing you would have seen another side to him. The fact that he takes time to respond instead of hiding from issues is a compliment to him. If the time he spent responding slows his progress then that something he will have to deal with. He doesn't work for you so I don't understand why you are questioning his use of time today. To predict that his time spent responding to this thread will in some way effect the quality of his work shows your lack of understanding, what are you, a psycic?

I may not have all the facts but I definatly have enough information to determine that you are in deed a first class jerk. Just because you have some common sense dosen't exempt you from decency. Get over yourself. You have spoiled your wisdom with this childish game. My opnion that you are a moron is hereby reinstated for the fact that you have diluted the wisdom you were trying to impart with this waste of time you call an exercise.

SCOTT

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Your post comes, once again, as no surprise. However, like shaddoe, you missed the point completely. But that's to be expected. Interestingly you also helped cement my actions as being justified.

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Rick Lord
http://www.kingdomcustoms.com

And since you seem toknow everybody in the business, you are probably best friends with the administrator of this site, so if you were to check our IP addresses you would find out my IP is from Indiana, and Shaddoe's is from Louisiana. Nuff said

Both kw2it and shaddoe have said that they have had bad experiences with IFG. I have also heard from others of their bad experiences with IFG. Even on KitCar.com
http://www.kitcar.com/consumeralert/ifgwarlock/home.html
shows of bad experiences with IFG.

You say you would admit you are wrong if you have been found to be wrong, but you have yet to admit it and you seem to be living in a dream world. I have not seen one post defending you meat, but have seen a couple so far that have defended shaddoe.

Side Note: You need to get rid of those java buttons on your site shaddoe.

Based upon that, I unfortunately cannot purchase or rely on you Meat! It seems there are six grammer errors in the first two paragraphs alone of "Selecting the right professional builder." I was going to count all of the errors in the document, but I knew I didn't have the time when I saw paragraph 4 (what were you thinking?). These were not little errors either, but basic 6th grade stuff.

So, I think I'll take your advice. I cut people alot of slack when they post in forums since I recognize the internet for what it is. I also expect that I'd be treated the same way. But I think you'll agree with me that if a builder has that many errors on his website-especially in the section where he's telling you about what to look for in a builder, he is someone to be avoided.

I've refrained from posting much on this site, but i have read the forums for quite some time, and i have noticed two types of threads. The first is a thread in which someone(s) give purposeful advice to someone else, and the other where someone sets out to dethrone meat. Meat seems to be one of the veterans on the kitcars.com forums, but shaddoe seems to be the first to oppose him and make legitimate points. I'm not looking to argue with either, but rather asking you to evaluate your behavior in this situation, and to ask you to let it be. Perhaps at one time they were focusing on the topic at hand, but that time has passed.
thanks

I've been coming to this site for well over a year. It was a while before I was interested enough to make any comments. During this time, I've made the follow conclusion:

Meat is the "film critic" of the kit car industry.

Film critics are full of information about the movies they have opinions about. They are also very opinionated about these movies. They will call the director an idiot, tell everyone else not to even bother seeing the movie, and tell everyone what the director did wrong, and how they (the critic) could have done it so much better.

Then, the movies goes on to become a hit.

And, when the critic is asked to come up with an original idea, something that the rest of the world can judge, they never produce. Or, if they do, it's an utter failure.

Meat will always be the critic, but never the producer. He'll even claim to have built a multitude of cars, but never produce any pictures of them, or any proof they're actually his. He'll continually give his biased opinion, based on wild accusations, and supported by unsubstantiated claims.

All the time under the guise of the defender of the little people of the kitcar industry, taking credit for anything positive that occurs in the industry, knowing full well that it will be nearly impossible to invalidate.

One thing I learned a long time ago. Always be suspect of a stranger that has your best interest to heart while not asking for anything.

And he'll continue to defend his opinion with unsubstantial "proof", while refusing to believe, or even address your counter arguements. "I don't believe you!" is his favorite arguement. If backed into a corner, he'll play his "smoke and mirrors" routine, and redirect the subject, until it's mutated into something completely unrelated. My favorite is when he can't come up with a retort, other than to attack the grammar or spelling of the others...on a public discussion forum, where messages are quickly written in a discussion type format, and spelling and grammar mistakes are generally ignored!

As you go to different forums on the 'net, you find the stench meat has left behind...supposedly, he's been banned from many of them, but even this can't be substantiated, because any mention of meat is forbidden on these other sites. He's a bad part of their history they just want to forget. Heck, he's even spawned the creation of an entire culture, called the vegans (think vegetarians...anti-meat) at FFcobra.com

As I said, just my two cents worth. But, before defending meat with your last breath, look and ask around on the net about him, and see what others have and are saying about him. The true test of a man's character can be see in what others have to say about him.

One good thing about meat...he does occasionally come up with an interesting web site.

I also feel that the IP address of everyone who post here should be shown...this would discourage "ghost", something meat vehemently accuses of everyone else, but something that I have long suspected meat commits more than anyone.

Your Pal!

P.S.

I can already hear it now...meat pointing out my single post. Well, for some reason, I had to re-register. It's been awhile since my last post, so I guess my user name was dropped. But, meat should remember me as moab.

I was elated after my fourth of July vacation to see that my initial post received soooo many responses!

And then I read. <sigh>

And read. <sigh>

And read.......<sigh>

I stopped reading because I forgot who said what, etc.

Here's my thoughts, for whoever may wish to read them, as a hopeful and naiive future owner of a turnkey Lamborghini replica.

I will do extensive research before dropping $80K on something that is such a niche product, and where it is ostensibly easy to receive something different from what is expected, in an industry that it so unregulated and multifarious. This will include meeting the builder - phone and in person - getting a tour of the facility, talking with owners, seeing their work, driving their work, hearing about their work, hearing about the way they treat customers, good old fashioned networking, networking, networking, etc. The website is one stop. Carlisle another. They are just the beginning for me. And in the end, I may not even invest in a replica. But I'll never learn if I don't ask, right?

In the end, my research efforts are and will be based on the belief that if someone does good work, has a sense of pride and integrity in the way they do everything, are ambitious and naturally inquisitive about building great cars, are detail-oriented, and most importantly, treat customers and all people with respect, the word - good or bad - will get around. To me it comes down to, well, common sense. I will be in touch, shaddoe. The cars on your website appear well-crafted with attention to detail on my computer screen. I sense and am eager to corroborate that your investment of time in this forum these past days comes from pride in assembling great Diablo replicas, and determintaion in protecting a hard-earned reputation.

Best,
Michael

PS - If anyone has further resources that may help answer my initial question, please share. You may have to rewind to the beginning to remind yourself what that question was. :)

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