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shaddoe wrote:
http://www.lambolounge.com/Building_Notes/Completed-Diablos/Robert/RobertProulx/index.asp
http://jason.kitcarmagazine.com/Current_Progress/Exterior/doors.asp
http://www.euroworksltd.com/turnkeydealers.htm
http://www.kitcardreams.com/turnkey.html
http://www.lambolounge.com/Chassis/Fiero-chassis/Chassis-Fiero/Chassis-Fiero.asp
http://www.lambolounge.com/Chassis/Fiero-chassis/Stretching/Robert/Stretching-Robert.asp
http://www.kitcars.com/Classifieds/AdDetails.asp?classified_id=2803
yes, i can hold the video when i type because i type with one finger on one hand. are you saying that the info i posted in not true? the words on the back saying executive producer: CURT SCOTT and written by: CURT SCOTT is something i made up? now, the thing that really pissed me off. you start talking about my company and the cars i build and believe me you'll need more than the guns you talk about sticking to. my work has been posted many places on the net and i still can't even find a mention of your name. entry level wanna be builders? i'm still waiting to see pics of things you've done! i posted quite a few links of my work! what have you done except run your mouth about stuff you've never done. hello? what do you have to show for the hot air you've been blowing? i guess i hacked into all these people's sites and posted this info about myself? i'll post more links about my work if this isn't enough!

www.exoticglass1.com

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shaddoe wrote:
are you blind? did you even click the link to rks that i posted? it clearly says who built the car. damn you have to be one of the stupidest persons to have ever said they were involved in the kitcar industry. you say you don't car about the links of the cars you think i never built but they are there clear as day. i'm showing my work but all you're doing is blowing hot air. do you have anything to prove? well, you slammed my name and business so you damn well better start proving something little man, you just stepped on the wrong shoes! hope to see you at next years knotts show, i'll have the video with me and find a nice place on your face to plant it. i really have to wonder about some of the post you've had, you always take people's comments and throw it into their face about their ***uality but i seen you more time than not using your "small penis" remark, man you have some serious problems. you've posted that i lied about the cars i've built and the video i never got but i've posted links to back up my side and also the info on the video but i find it amazing how you come back with this " its all a lie" bull**** and sound soo convincing but you never answer direct question or links that i posted. please make your opinion clear! are you saying that the video that i bought from curt scott and have in my possession doesn't exist? are you saying that the cars on my website were not built by me? are you saying that the links that i posted of my work on the net are fabrications? please answer these direct because you're just too good at twisting everything its getting hard to understand what you're saying is true or lies!

www.exoticglass1.com

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Meat I am going to disagree with you on this one. Bottom line Exotic Glass builds some of the best cars around. I recieve Numerous requests and compliments on the cars shaddoe builds and compared to some of the others out there... I am fully confident in saying Skill, Honesty and Craftsmanship would be a standard to follow. I have personally recieved words of great praise from D&R themselves, speaking Highly of Exotic Glass and the Pure satisfaction and trust they have for him.

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devilish_ride shaddoe wrote:
I'm sorry but Meat your an A$$, lay off already get a clue you $uck. Shaddoe is a good man, he is an honest man, he tells it like it is. If you can't take it, don't lash back just shut up about it. As for people not buying from him because of his responses to your attacks. I plan on buying from him when my finances are in order. Oh yeah I've been involved in the kit industry for 25 years also. I have looked at kit cars from afar for the last 25 years. Thats probably what you consider involved since you won't post anything worth while.

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Wow. One post. Imagine that. Didn't see that one coming.

Your pal,
Meat.

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360 wannabe wrote:
It is my personal opinion that shaddoe is among the elite craftsmen when it comes to building cars. I know of his talent very well and endorse it heavily on my site. Any Turnkey requests made to powerhouse sports are handled by Exotic Glass.

Meat I am going to disagree with you on this one. Bottom line Exotic Glass builds some of the best cars around. I recieve Numerous requests and compliments on the cars shaddoe builds and compared to some of the others out there... I am fully confident in saying Skill, Honesty and Craftsmanship would be a standard to follow. I have personally recieved words of great praise from D&R themselves, speaking Highly of Exotic Glass and the Pure satisfaction and trust they have for him.

www.powerhousesports.net

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Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Unfortunately, you've missed the mark; my point isn't whether or not shaddoe does or does not make any cars. Nor did it ever have anything to do with cars that may or may not be imaginary. Adolph Hitler was a very good artist, he had Skill and Craftsmanship. He killed a goodly percentage of Europe. Mike Tyson is a very good boxer, he exhibits Skill and Craftsmanship. He also bites and has to videotape ***ual encounters because he seems to get accused of rape. The Roman Catholic Church is full of Honest priests. 'course some of them seem to like raping little boys. The world is full of honest, skilled craftsmen. The point of this exercise isn't about imaginary builds, skill, craftsmanship or honesty.

It's about integrity, ethics, believability and (apparently) comprehension. You didn't mention shaddoe had any of those, and in his posts he has exhibited none of those qualities.

Hey, I even gave him the benefit of the doubt and called up Curt today - on the Fourth of July - to ask if Curt knew who he was. Guess what? He doesn't. Surprise, surprise, surprise.

Your pal,
Meat.

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No, I did not click on any of your links. What anyone else says about you is not the point of this exercise (hint freakin' hint).

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Rick Lord
http://www.kingdomcustoms.com

For the most part... In this particular feed.... even your own posts don't necessarily demonstrate any of the qualities you speak of(Integrity, ethics, believability and comprehension).I can't believe you would make a distasteful refrence to hitler!! Or try and twist others words around to suit your rant.

Since when does "Curt Scott" become the end-all be-all of the kit car industry?? Yes he has gone on a rampage of terrible companies but he also has his own self serving needs, from books and yes videos. Since when did anyone opening a business have to check and register with "Curt Scott"??

If you want un biased opinions of Lambo Builders visit kitcentral.com (Duncan's site) and put the question out ther... can shaddoe be trusted?? then come back and tell US he has no Integrity, ethics, believability and comprehension. People on lambo forums for the most part could care less about cobras, and people on cobra forums for the most part could care less about Lambos. Each to their own tastes.

But none the less.... like you and I have both said.. You and I (and everyone else) are entitled to our opinions. PEACE

You clearly have a need to put yourself above others by over analizing their comments and antagonizing them. It dosen't make you smart (just a smartass). This is not a court room or a class room.

I don't know what your motivation is with your remarks but they are childish schoolyard tactics that in my experiance are used by those who are insecure. If you have had a bad experiance or know of someone who has had a bad experiance with Exotic Glass and Shaddoe, then take your own advice and give us the details. If you are trying to be a consumer advocate then let us know what the issue with Exotic Glass is. If your point is that Shaddoe can be worked up when he is bullied then who cares? I am first interested in whether or not someone like Shaddoe can do a quality job when contracted to do something. That is what I concider integrity - doing what you say you can do.

As far as Shaddoe's fat ass remark that was sent your way, I think he probably made a visual assessment in his mind while reading your posts, I know I did. You sound like the guy at the end of the counter at a salvage yard who heckels customers to make himself feel smart and important. You know the guy, the one who sits on the stool (with his fat ass) and does nothing but drop his unqualified remarks at the unsuspecting while he sits and reads the latest copy of the Thrifty Nickel.

Just so you know I don't work for the Thrifty Nickel so please don't tell me to buy ad space.

== IFG ==
Dales Roadster looks good but there are certain features i dislike about the IFG style. Besides the drivers side gas tank and off center front wheel wells, the build is nice. IFG's service seemed to have warranted customer doubts b/c of the complaints i've read about people not getting their parts on time or getting their car in 2-3 different shipments and then still having additional parts missing in which they take a few months to finally arrive. Not criticizing the company, but those complaints seem to be consistent with their customers who have posted on other forums or have build diaries.

== SHELBY CUSTOMS ==
What all does anyone know about Shelby Customs going out of business?
Where are they located? What's been making so many kit companies fold recently? Just lack of business, bad reputation for service or quality? Litigation?

Meat did make a good point about coming off professional on the forum. I don't think potential buyers want to see people representing certain companies take shots back and forth at each other no matter how insignificant the topic b/c in the sales world, badmouthing is deterimental to personal credibility. Not credibility loss in the quality of your company's work, but the quality of the people one may have to deal with. Customers just don't want to interact with people who don't seem likeable or friendly b/c it seems to add an element of not being trustworthy. That's just how it is in the eye of the consumer. Maybe it's just my opinion as a consumer...

D&R, ExoticGlass, or RKS HAVE NOT lost any credibility with me given all the prior posts. Debates stem to arguements which both parties in the end always admit that it got carried away. Pride takes over and humilty is thrown out of the window. We're not perfect, it happens.

RKS could use some work on the website, take Meat up on his offer. After all, he does want to promote good quality among the kitcar industry and that's why he offered his services for FREE. The quality of a company's website is the first impression for potential buyers. We always strive to make GOOD first impressions right? It can stimulate business or turn it away if people relate the quality of the site to the quality of the work and sales people. The sight could use some minor improvements, but I'm not criticizing it at all.

I'm just an objective third party. I just landed a new job with an Investment Firm and I want something sporty/flashy to drive on weekends and maybe take some of my high profile clients out from time to time.
Is driving a kit car everyday out of the question? I'm assuming that it depends on the quality of the parts and build? FEEDBACK would be greatly appreciated...

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Rick Lord wrote:
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JonB112, the orange car is being built by me, i'm actually wiring the lights today. feel free to call about any questions you have and also watch for dale's new site, he'll be building a 6.0 from naerc.

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forty shaddoe wrote:[/b]
Hey Meat, I have read this entire thread and you accused Shaddoe of being a psuedointellectual. You need to look at yourself first, I would wager that you are some sort of law school drop out with your nit picking assessment of grammer and sentence structure.

You clearly have a need to put yourself above others by over analizing their comments and antagonizing them. It dosen't make you smart (just a smartass). This is not a court room or a class room.

I don't know what your motivation is with your remarks but they are childish schoolyard tactics that in my experiance are used by those who are insecure. If you have had a bad experiance or know of someone who has had a bad experiance with Exotic Glass and Shaddoe, then take your own advice and give us the details. If you are trying to be a consumer advocate then let us know what the issue with Exotic Glass is. If your point is that Shaddoe can be worked up when he is bullied then who cares? I am first interested in whether or not someone like Shaddoe can do a quality job when contracted to do something. That is what I concider integrity - doing what you say you can do.

As far as Shaddoe's fat ass remark that was sent your way, I think he probably made a visual assessment in his mind while reading your posts, I know I did. You sound like the guy at the end of the counter at a salvage yard who heckels customers to make himself feel smart and important. You know the guy, the one who sits on the stool (with his fat ass) and does nothing but drop his unqualified remarks at the unsuspecting while he sits and reads the latest copy of the Thrifty Nickel.

Just so you know I don't work for the Thrifty Nickel so please don't tell me to buy ad space.

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Accussing me of being Shaddoe is weak. I don't even know Shaddoe. I have never posted on this site but have read it a couple of times. I registered and responded purely because of the tone in your posts. Unlike You, I dont know what Shaddoe's name is but my name is Scott.

I like you have never built a Lamborghini kit or a kit that looks like a lamborghini.

I started looking into the Gazelle type and Cobra kits with my Dad before I could even talk so I guess I'm equally qualified to comment based on my experiance with the industry.

Speaking of the "industry" just what is your experiance? What is your role? Do you fancy yourself an advocate of sorts? Why dont you post any specifics about why you have persued this rant? I haven't been around forever so bring me up to speed and maybe I change my perspective on the type of person you are.

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forty shaddoe wrote:
Meat you are in my opinion a complete moron.

Accussing me of being Shaddoe is weak. I don't even know Shaddoe. I have never posted on this site but have read it a couple of times. I registered and responded purely because of the tone in your posts. Unlike You, I dont know what Shaddoe's name is but my name is Scott.

I like you have never built a Lamborghini kit or a kit that looks like a lamborghini.

I started looking into the Gazelle type and Cobra kits with my Dad before I could even talk so I guess I'm equally qualified to comment based on my experiance with the industry.

Speaking of the "industry" just what is your experiance? What is your role? Do you fancy yourself an advocate of sorts? Why dont you post any specifics about why you have persued this rant? I haven't been around forever so bring me up to speed and maybe I change my perspective on the type of person you are.

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shaddoe frothed:
meat, you see the accusation you've made about devilish_ride? do you know who he is? if you've ever visited kitcentral you'd know who he was. so what does one post mean? i use an example, i've been a member of this site longer than you have but i only have around 20 post at the same time you have 400, what does that mean? maybe there are not as many technical questions here or if there are some they are usually answered by the time i get home. i'm pretty sure that devilish_ride has a email address that you could contact him through to find out who he really is. as for curt scott, you happened to call him today to ask him if he knew who i was but did you ask him about the video? maybe with all the calls that he takes he probably wouldn't remember someone who talked to him about 7-8 years ago, remember jack cobb from tennessee? remember the problems he had with ifg? you should because curt had pics of the junk he received from them on his site. i can remember it well because that was the same time i had my problems and like jack, after filing suit ray settled the matter. so maybe he doesn't remember me, so what, i remember what he did to me! i am at my shop now and i've pulled one of the older kitcar magazines( KIT CAR ILLUSTRATED- JUNE 1995/VOL.12 NO.3) on page 15 there the ad is, in all its glory which i will post a picture of when i get home. lets see, for $24.95 you can buy his video, there is even his signature on the page. you know, meat reminds me of those scammers on ebay that will sell you something refurbished but in the ad is say "BRAND NEW FACTORY SEALED BOX", but guess what you get? a refurbished unit in a brand new factory sealed box, the box is new but the unit isn't. what can you do? he would purposely post it that way to missinform you. sounds funny doesn't it? sounds just like meats post! now, i think someone else has posted about the same ad for the video being in his book. lets face it shawn or how ever you spell it, you know nothing, did nothing and have nothing to ad that is constructive to the kitcar industry. were you in vietnam with curt? what have you ever done in your life? wait you're only in your 30's and have been involved in the kitcar industry for 25 years, man that funny. ok, thets check the score, you're wrong about the video, you've tried to make it look like the pictures on my site are deceptive because pictures of the blue car are on the rks site, never did answer to that one, many reputable people have stood up for me and all you keep saying is that you talked to curt scott. i hope you have more to add than that! now i'm pretty much finished with you, you see frauds stink and man i can smell your meat head from way over here in southern louisiana! i'll post the pic of the magazine and video sitting on it when i get home.

JonB112, the orange car is being built by me, i'm actually wiring the lights today. feel free to call about any questions you have and also watch for dale's new site, he'll be building a 6.0 from naerc.

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shaddoe foamed:
http://www.exoticglass1.com/new_page_1.htm
i sent a email to the administrators to check these post. it would be a shame for meat to run people off because he thinks he knows everything. this is the pic of the magazine ad and video, if you thinks its just a fabrication because its not very clear just look it up in the magazine. can you believe i wasted my time reading your guide? first off, by your guide because i think negative of curt scott my quality is very poor or something like that, i can go back and copy and paste it but to the point, my opinion is i don't like him because he is just like some of the people that he post about. so with this being my opinion are you saying that my work is poor or my business can't be trusted? please tell me that this is your opinion because this will clearly show how much you know about this industry.
so truely according to your guide, noone should trust anythiong you have to say because you've been proved wrong over and over again.

www.exoticglass1.com

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I did not notice the link to your artical before my last post but have had a chance to read it and I will admit that your points in chosing a builder are wise.

So I take back the remark stating that you are in my opinion a moron. But you still haven't answered any of my questions reguarding Exotic Glass. So why did you target Shaddoe for this experiment? Is there a problem with his business other than out of date software and a defensive attitude? Those problems seem to be ones that can be gotten past if he performs well and has a good track record. The bottom line is where's the dirt?

SCOTT

Your pal,
Meat.
nope, i haven't even started drinking yet, i've been working on the orange roadster you seem to think i never built. and what part don't you understand? the part about you accusing members of being me which can be proven by the administrators of this forum? don't you think that the people you accused of being me would at all want to be a part of this site when you do that? do you think the owners of this site want you running members off because you think you know all but actually know nothing? please explain to me what your excuse to the administrators for accusing those two people of being me are?

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forty wrote:
Meat, I based my opinion that you are a moron from the information in this thread. I only brought up issues the were commented on in this thread. I did not defend Shaddoe because I dont know him. My opinion was the result of the tone in your posts.

I did not notice the link to your artical before my last post but have had a chance to read it and I will admit that your points in chosing a builder are wise.

So I take back the remark stating that you are in my opinion a moron. But you still haven't answered any of my questions reguarding Exotic Glass. So why did you target Shaddoe for this experiment? Is there a problem with his business other than out of date software and a defensive attitude? Those problems seem to be ones that can be gotten past if he performs well and has a good track record. The bottom line is where's the dirt?

SCOTT

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shaddoe wrote:
nope, i haven't even started drinking yet, i've been working on the orange roadster you seem to think i never built. and what part don't you understand? the part about you accusing members of being me which can be proven by the administrators of this forum? don't you think that the people you accused of being me would at all want to be a part of this site when you do that? do you think the owners of this site want you running members off because you think you know all but actually know nothing? please explain to me what your excuse to the administrators for accusing those two people of being me are?

www.exoticglass1.com

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